PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gordyola]

Thanks for that breakdown fella. We could do with this laid out just so we can throw it at opposition fans for their night time reading (well for those who can read).

Admittedly, most City fans don't know this depth of detail, but when broken down like this, it makes an even bigger mockery of City's FFP situation.

It's evident they're just out to get us by any means necessary.

They want to discredit our achievements they know that once found innocent the view will be that we paid them off The mission has been accomplished

 

[Saddleworth2]

As you can see with the everton ruling, the independent commission is tied to the evidence and have no choice but to give reasonings for their recommendations, if the evidence is not their, then they have nothing to go at, as i have said if the independent commission finds us guilty, we are talking criminal charges, if the pl had that kind of evidence why not send it directly to the cps, the fact is they dont.

we may find the non cooperation charges much more subjective.
Does that independent commission have guidelines on appropriate penalties to fit the crime? It would seem in Everton's case that they have been pretty extreme.
Mate, I hope you and many others are 100% correct and we are found to be faultless and the PL collapses in a heap. Maybe thats what the red cartel wanted all along and they can resuscitate the Super League.

 

[Dribble]

I am a 'legal eagle' with experience of non-judicial legal proceedings like these proceedings.

In any well-regulated legal environment rules of procedure normally exist before proceedings begin. These tell the parties what are their rights and obligations at the outset.

Normally, when proceedings begin a clock starts to tick. There will be a timetable for the party alleging misconduct to frame its charges, amend them if necessary,

I'm not a qualified legal eagle, but have knowledge in this field, and in my experience you do your investigation, make your claim (charges), disclose your evidence to the defendant & agree a timetable for them to respond.

If the parties can't come to a full settlement, only then do you proceed to the judicial process. Our situation is anything but this, hence why I was confused how this situation was allowed to come about.

The fact the accuser made the claim but estimates it'll take them 2-4 years to provide their evidence suggests to me this is a bullshit fishing exercise meant to damage City's reputation in the court of public opinion.

I'd appreciate it if you can correct me if I've got the non-criminal process wrong somewhere. None of this makes any sense to me outside of what I've stated & reasoned.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Is that Lipton's choice of bait ?

attached to his body yea

 

[Gordyola]

You need some full stops in your postings!

My apologies I'm having tech issues. I post from an iphone then, check on my PC later but this morning I've had an issue every time I try to edit, the post disappears

 

[Metal Biker]

This investigation if the Premier League gets what it wants basically brands Mansour a criminal, it’s a high bar they have to reach to prove that. He will be doing everything in his power to protect his investment, if we have to lawyer up and tie the Premier League in knots for years so be it.

Imagine a sporting body claiming that a diplomat/royal from another nation is a fraudulent cheat and financially irresponsible and not expecting a huge shitstorm of fallout between those two nations' relations.

Especially one who has been actively investing in other projects in that sporting bodies own nation.

 

[Silva61]

excellent post

This is an excellent post.
What I would like to be privi to are the thoughts of the candidates for the post that the puppet Masters ended up with.
Didn't the last candidate accually take the job but left after about 1 week.
They were all probably made to sign NDA's

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

We have been a god send for the media , the amount of column inches we have provided for them has made them millions , and the cash cow is not going to end any time soon , we break records ££££££, we get accused ££££££ , it s a f*cking circus :)

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Imagine a sporting body claiming that a diplomat/royal from another nation is a fraudulent cheat and financially irresponsible and not expecting a huge shitstorm of fallout between those two nations' relations.

Especially one who has been actively investing in other projects in that sporting bodies own nation.

This is well above Richard Master's and the Premier league's pay grade

 

[give it to gordon]

Should City be found guilty will the pl release the facts ?

 

[Silva61]

This is an excellent post.
What I would like to be privi to are the thoughts of the candidates for the post that the puppet Masters ended up with.
Didn't the last candidate accually take the job but left after about 1 week.
They were all probably made to sign NDA's

Forgot to say their remit was probably bollocks to everything else, just fuck Man City over.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Should City be found guilty will the pl release the facts ?

The facts will be detailed on RAWK & Red Issue

 

[The perfect fumble]

Prestwich_Blue tells it as it is....

 

[SilverFox2]

we may find the non cooperation charges much more subjective.
Does that independent commission have guidelines on appropriate penalties to fit the crime? It would seem in Everton's case that they have been pretty extreme.
Mate, I hope you and many others are 100% correct and we are found to be faultless and the PL collapses in a heap. Maybe thats what the red cartel wanted all along and they can resuscitate the Super League.

They obviously have zero allegiance to the PL yet convinced them to bring charges.
Could be their way to leave the Gov with nothing real to oversee.

 

[Dribble]

My reply is incomplete. The full answer should continue as follows.

When the charges are in proper form, the party alleging misconduct should disclose its supporting evidence. The tactical burden shifts to the other side when the charges have been finalised, and all the evidence has been disclosed. The other side may then respond and, if necessary, call evidence in rebuttal. The burden of proving remains on the party alleging misconduct throughout. The case will only be established if, at the end of the hearing, the evidence shows that the allegations are likely true on the balance of probabilities, i.e. guilt is more likely than not.

The principles I describe above are based on notions of simple fairness. Without rules that modify them, the common law will require their application.

The problem with the current proceedings is that they have, as I understand it, been framed in such a way as to exclude a review by a judge for procedural irregularities and unfairness. The club will have to trust its vastly experienced team of lawyers to see that the proceedings conform to these basics.

This is more my understanding of how this process should work, which begs the question why have the PL charges preceeded the evidentiary disclosure process which is estimated to take between 2-4 years?

None of this bullshit adds up even at the most basic legal level.

 

[give it to gordon]

Bloody hell lol

My missus just has gone bloody mental over this lol.

She never gets involved with football

I was explaining that City cant appeal the decision. She went mad saying that's bonkers just tell them to shove it their arse and join another league !.
She carried on its clearly a witchhunt they dont want you in the pl but are happy to take your money and fines. It stinks.

Never heard my missus go mad about football, never, always so laid back

 

[bridgeno1]

This needs government intervention quite rapidly.

The idea that 4 football clubs can sue another because its owner has financed losses is, quite frankly, absolutely fucking insane.

The PL is a circus and the clowns are in charge.

I'm not going into the detail of the City charges but what I'll say with Everton is that their case was far more 'cut and dry' than the City charges as they were warned repeatedly about their FFP obligations by the PL but still went ahead and signed players and incurred losses, assuming they could write it off against Covid. The fact other teams complied with FFP and then got relegated means that they have a far more persuasive argument for compensation and, make no mistake, Everton will be sued successfully for many millions of pounds.

With you guys there are charges that have not yet been proven and that will take time and process. Plus these charges are all retrospective, there was no edict at the time the alleged offences were taking place where the PL said 'hey guys you shouldn't be doing this, please stop'.

With Everton the PL was warning them at the time they were incurring losses that they should not be signing any more players but they went ahead and did it anyway so it was far easier for the PL to find them guilty and issue the penalty.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

It’s all bonkers. The PL have the greatest football competition in the world right now and they are in danger of setting its member clubs on each other.

They’re either irresponsible or they are doing it on purpose. Beginning of the end of the PL if you ask me, enabling a new competition ran by the red shirt consortium with huge restrictions on owner investment (once they’ve sorted themselves out of course).

Choose your sides, everyone, this will be bumpy.

Top-flight English football! Oooooooooh! :) It was good whilst it lasted, wasn't it?

 

[Dribble]

My apologies I'm having tech issues. I post from an iphone then, check on my PC later but this morning I've had an issue every time I try to edit, the post disappears

Get an Android phone. They just work.

 

[wolviedinho]

I had one in the pub last night giving it how can City earn all that money. Shot the fucker down when I educated that being the most successful club in the last ten years earns prize money and sponsorship. Then having an academy where we can sell on the likes of Palmer, Sancho, Lavia, Trafford etc to generate a solid income stream and that our Etihad deal is market value when Arsenal get £17 million a year less from Emirates than what City do from Etihad. They haven’t won a league for nearly 20 years and don’t consistently qualify for the champions league.

He scuttled back under his rock and didn’t have anything to say after that. There’s some right thick people out there.

You would have got more sense out of the rock -:)