PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

gordondaviesmoustache said:
The civil and criminal acts of fraud amount to the same thing. They are an intention to dishonestly make a representation in order to make a gain or make someone subject to a loss.

The differences are the court setting, the standard of proof, rules of evidence, the legal person bringing the action and the scope and purpose of the sanction against the offending party.

Edit: intention to make a dishonest representation is possibly tautological!
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Oh thanks now I have to go and Google taughtlogically or whatever you put.
 
M18CTID said:
True, but I think that the fact that the charges go back to 2009 is an indication that Mancini’s contract is one of the things that’s being looked at, given that 2009 is the year he was appointed.

What makes me laugh is why haven’t they gone back further to 2007 and 2008 when Shinawatra owned the club? Are they trying to say that he was squeaky clean?!
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I’d be shitting if they were checking Frank out…

On a similar note, surely if they think us & Chelsea are dodgy they have to question the audit process. Who knows who is getting away with stuff.
 
give it to gordon said:
It's all about to implode, the pl is eating itself just as the American owners wanted.
The fans of these American clubs are to think to see what's happening.

Bloody hell I even got called a cheat when filling my car up at the petrol station last night. All I was doing was queuing up to pay ! In my City jacket.

I hope it doesnt get to the stage were I feel unsafe wearing my City gear. The way the press/media are stirring it up, it could to that.
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I said on this site about a year ago that us fans would be targeted

After spurs away early last season

It kicked off after the match due to stuff being said about oil cheats etc
 
M18CTID said:
True, but I think that the fact that the charges go back to 2009 is an indication that Mancini’s contract is one of the things that’s being looked at, given that 2009 is the year he was appointed.

What makes me laugh is why haven’t they gone back further to 2007 and 2008 when Shinawatra owned the club? Are they trying to say that he was squeaky clean?!
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The previous owner in John Wardle having to loan Shinawatra money just to pay the wages. I wonder if he ever got that back, I doubt it.
 
Paladin said:
They went to the trouble of saying City had been charged with 8 counts under Profit and Sustainability, for each of two years, and 9 charges under P&S for a third year. 25 separate charges under P&S.

For Everton they grouped all the 8 clause into one charge, and made a single charge for them failing P&S.

My point is that it's either 25 charges for City and 8 charges for Everton, or it is 3 charges for City and 1 for Everton if they are grouping the charges.

But no, they announced 25 charges against City and 1 against Everton. Totally unfair.

Regards charging us for failing UEFA FFP, surely they can only bring that charge if we have actually failed UEFA FFP. All allegations of us falling UEFA FFP were defeated at CAS, so these charges are just false.
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The Premier League have turned 5 basic charges against City into 115 mini charges just to make it look worse and keep the red morons frothing in righteous indignation. There are 30 separate mini charges under 'lack of co-operation' alone.
 
cheekybids said:
I’d be shitting if they were checking Frank out…

On a similar note, surely if they think us & Chelsea are dodgy they have to question the audit process. Who knows who is getting away with stuff.
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with audits, there are genuinely bits missed when being done. When I worked in the Accountancy industry, the company I worked for partnered with an AI company called MindBridge.

It was crazy how much can be missed due to Human error.
 
M18CTID said:
True, but I think that the fact that the charges go back to 2009 is an indication that Mancini’s contract is one of the things that’s being looked at, given that 2009 is the year he was appointed.

What makes me laugh is why haven’t they gone back further to 2007 and 2008 when Shinawatra owned the club? Are they trying to say that he was squeaky clean?!
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ffs dont give them ideas
 
The Premier league are playing a blinder for the Rags & Dippers , the charges were brought to bring as much negative media attention to our club and they knew the Everton punishment would again bring all the negative spotlight back on our club.
Richard Masters and the Premier league are just the Rags & Dippers puppet , they dance to their tune and always have since the league's formation , if an independent regulator was formed maybe the decisions made will then be for the benefit all twenty clubs and not just the two who have run rough shod over every club for more than twenty five years.
The irony of Everton & Chelsea jumping on the bandwagon with the red 'istree clubs and originally voting for FFP has to be the best example of turkey's voting for Xmas , your reap what you sow
 
mayo31 said:
I said on this site about a year ago that us fans would be targeted

After spurs away early last season

It kicked off after the match due to stuff being said about oil cheats etc
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And when it does kick off the press/media will claim it's nothing to do with them. After a decade of writing and talking crap making this become toxic the press/media have been stirring this hatred up. The scum press/media in this country will turn a blind eye and blame everyone but themselves.

I am beginning to wonder if I should stop wearing my City stuff, but at the moment fuck why should I hide.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I don't believe that's necessarily the case. Taking the image rights issue, this was discussed with UEFA when they became aware of it, who weren't happy with the arrangement but seem to have tacitly agreed that it wasn't actually illegal to do this in the way we did. We'd sold those rights to Fordham, which was a legitimate and recorded transaction.

To prove fraud, they'd have to show that we knowingly did something to deceive or misstate our accounts. Chelsea allegedly paying agents from offshore accounts would be fraud.
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PB

At the time, the Fordham arrangement appeared complicated in the UEFA considerations to me - not necessarily because the arrangement was illegal, but because the club were accused of continuing to exploit some elements of player image rights after ‘selling‘ them? It didn’t seem to help that the Fordham identity was a little opaque.

We were of course heavily sanctioned with the fine and the imposition of the transfer ceiling etc. and the matter closed by UEFA till now.
Selling player image rights is widespread and has hit the courts before - Giovanni at Hull I recall

It’s been widely reported that HMRC established a special unit to look at image rights a while back and hundreds of players and many clubs remain under investigation.

If we are punished by the Prem for the image rights matter with points deductions etc. it is quite possible that we will be the first of multiple cases.

Maybe it’s a case of ‘this particular charge could be levelled at many clubs but let’s just bung it on the City charge sheet and see what happens.’
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Stefan certainly doesn't think that the match up of the two respective legal teams is the equivalent of us playing Mansfield at home in the FA Cup.

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“Acting for the Premier League” says it all, it’s like Barristers defending a murderer, they know they’re guilty but as long as their client doesn’t actually admit it they’ll come up with any old bollocks to get them off the charges.
 
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