If the cartel clubs do try and break away again, what kind of fallout do you think we will see from their fan bases, remember the grovelling video J. Henry had to put out.I was reading a short paper on this from some professor in finance at Sheffield University. He refrained of course from trying to predict any outcome, but he did say that regardless of the outcome FFP has been shown to be inadequate and the FA / UEFA incapable of regulating member clubs against its own directives. This could be a huge catalyst for change in the football world.
Whichever way the verdict falls, there will be much fallout. I foresee the end of FFP in the current form and an independence regulator appointed, with a very real prospect of a huge rebellion against the status quo resulting in breakaway leagues and more. It could be the end of the premier league's dominance even, with pressures to form European or World leagues only getting stronger.
The FA now have a situation where they and other member clubs have accused their most successful club of cheating, even fraudulent behaviour, and those making the accusations really need to know the seriousness of that, and the implications for them in terms of their position and credibility. If we win, we'll want the record setting straight and there will be many noses out of of joint, noses we know full well don't like to accept the reality of the situation. If we lose, that's probably easier for the FA but,I feel, much harder to prove and quite unlikely. Certainly 115 charges, or whatever it actually is, we will not be found guilty on all of them. The bar of required evidence is far too high for the FA to meet, based on what I have seen of their arguments, leaks and conduct.
All this for some very suspect charges, probably to satisfy the old boys club. I do still think they'll try to stick us with non cooperation again, but I can't foresee how the FA have, or even think they have, nearly sufficient evidence to prove their allegations. If that happens, expect a United, Arsenal and Liverpool led revolt, as the hand that feeds is unceremoniously chomped at by those same ungrateful, spolied brats.
I think it’s just a typo and easily done.It’s got fuck all to do with the FA.
Fly tippers are the scum of the earth and need eradicatingIt still makes no sense that they got the charges wrong. You’d think when they are advising they are looking at the year book & the allegation.
You’d also think they’d say CAS over ruled because of this, so it’s unlikely & a reason they didn’t move forward for 4 years.
Also the sheer volume of charges is vindictive & inconsistent. If you want someone nailed & quickly you wouldn’t create head aches for yourself. It would be like throwing charges of “fly tipping” at Peter Sutcliffe.
but about 8 of the charges are for not complying with UEFA FFP rules. So by that definition alone United, Liverpool, Leicester, Everton and anyone else who couldn't pass UEFA FFP should be charged as wellCompletely different rules. Didn't fail Premier league FFP.
Fly tippers are the scum of the earth and need eradicating
No, they have the right to remain silent under the Miranda Warning.Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?
Of course not. Let's be clear, the only reason this investigation came about was because of the Football Leaks emails, for which we only have ourselves to blame.Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?
It should be an open toreador.Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?
Make themselves Bizet you mean?Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?
What gets me they just threw the points deduction in the ffp rules last year when clubs have struggled because of Covid inflation and the way the world is now!
Why didnt they initial bring in a point deduction in to the premier rules when they first brought it in? Also don't do it over 3 year monitoring period do it over 1 year and you can't lose more than 35m in your accounts and if you went over by 5m that's 1 points deduction! Now if you start with that low a point deduction and any club did go over it and they got deducted a point in the early years of ffp, clubs would of realise the premier was serious about ffp! Then they could made it worse for losing money 8f clubs kept losing money!
The vast majority know very little about FFP and even less about our charges (or Everton's). Even if we were found "guilty" of all the charges, we're talking about probably £12.5m per year. I thought it was slightly more but Reuters estimated the image rights as £10m, whereas I thought it was around £17m. That's nowhere near enough to turn meeting the PL's FSR into failing them, as Everton did.The notion that the over simplistic “if Everton, then City” helps me separate the idiots from those who have looked at each case and seen they are distinctly different.
Anyone who says “if Everton got 10 points for £19M, City must get…..!” is simply unable to understand what is happening in front of their own eyes and should be duly dismissed out of hand.
Consider this: if you confronted those who say ‘if Everton this, then City that’ with the question ‘which of City’s charges do you think will cause the punishment?’ they would be unable to answer. They don’t even know what the majority of the charges are; they just have a number such as ‘rule 7, 2015, 2016.’ and I bet they haven’t even looked it up.The notion that the over simplistic “if Everton, then City” helps me separate the idiots from those who have looked at each case and seen they are distinctly different.
Anyone who says “if Everton got 10 points for £19M, City must get…..!” is simply unable to understand what is happening in front of their own eyes and should be duly dismissed out of hand.
The point about coercion is key here. It was clear from the UEFA charges that certain clubs were stirring the pot. You could see the relationships at work in how leaks were disseminated to favoured journalists and how the mainstream media was used. Pep’s comments about Levy and others at his Presser and Khaldoon’s earlier comments make it clear we know there has been “interference”.You wouldn't have thought so, but this is pretty much what UEFA did, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Never underestimate the stupidity of football administrators.
I know you're a bit dismissive of the idea, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there was a degree of coercion from other clubs, plus there is the looming threat of an independent regulator. These factors could easily have muddied the water for the PL, and resulted in them overreaching with their charges.
That's not to play down the seriousness of the case, and there is an awful lot at stakes for both sides. I don't think anyone at this stage can say with any degree of certainty what the outcome will be.
Nobody knows, because it was a minor breach.If united failed ffp under eufa rules and were fined, why aren't the PL looking at that as well? Not in a sarcastic way, but genuinely why aren't they? Were their losses not enough to fail PL ffp?
Side issue: I would expect the independent regulator to ban clubs from registering offshore. Note both City and CFG are British registered companies.Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?