Middle East Conflict

BlueAnorak said:
Oooo.
Similarly, you can't claim Israel is committing war crimes if it "Isn't a war".
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I didn't make that claim. I said that Israel claims it didn't occupy Gaza, and that there wasn't an active conflict zone before October the 7th.

It's okay we all get it. You like war porn and have thinly veiled racist attitudes to Arabs/muslims.
 
Username Required said:
Literally all I did was post an article I thought illustrated the gentile Zionist mind-set in the U.S., in order to answer the question why America supports Israel reflexively, & the reasoning by the Governor of South Dakota is part of the answer imo.
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Just go back and edit it so you're saying "Look at how daft Americans justify support for Israel".
 
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Postman Pep said:
and right on cue ..... deconstruct what he says and offer a considered opinion. The floor is yours ....
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The first thing he said was that there was no evidence that Hamas operated beneath Al Shifa. That’s true only if you ignore or dispute the evidence that Israel have provided. The rest of it is in the same vein where he makes claims based on not believing anything Israel claims, then offers opinions based on those supposed facts. That’s why I said it was wishful thinking. It might be valid and it might not be but without knowing the truth of the facts he is basing his opinion on it’s impossible to say.
 
west didsblue said:
The first thing he said was that there was no evidence that Hamas operated beneath Al Shifa. That’s true only if you ignore or dispute the evidence that Israel have provided. The rest of it is in the same vein where he makes claims based on not believing anything Israel claims, then offers opinions based on those supposed facts. That’s why I said it was wishful thinking. It might be valid and it might not be but without knowing the truth of the facts he is basing his opinion on it’s impossible to say.
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I've seen a sink in a tunnel, somewhere near the hospital. Was that the 4-storey subterranean command and control centre?
 
Vic said:
I've seen a sink in a tunnel, somewhere near the hospital. Was that the 4-storey subterranean command and control centre?
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I’ve no idea. I don’t know what an abandoned Hamas command centre looks like but I suspect it has a toilet.
 
west didsblue said:
I’ve no idea. I don’t know what an abandoned Hamas command centre looks like but I suspect it has a toilet.
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Where is that IDF-supplied image of what the "command and control centre" looked like when you need it.

I said when Israel went into the hospital that they needed incontrovertible proof of a command and control centre to justify what they did. They haven't. A tunnel just doesn't cut it for me, I'm afraid. Doesn't look too good for their intelligence either (again). Or the US's.

I suppose when they get a confession out of the director, they will think that proves it. It won't.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Where is that IDF-supplied image of what the "command and control centre" looked like when you need it.

I said when Israel went into the hospital that they needed incontrovertible proof of a command and control centre to justify what they did. They haven't. A tunnel just doesn't cut it for me, I'm afraid. Doesn't look too good for their intelligence either (again). Or the US's.

I suppose when they get a confession out of the director, they will think that proves it. It won't.
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I’m not sure what you think a terrorist “control and command center” looks like, but it ain’t the Pentagon or Ministry of Defence.

All it needs is a way to communicate to the outside world, and the ability to be moved, lock, stock and barrel, in short order. That’s the nature of urban guerilla warfare.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I’m not sure what you think a terrorist “control and command center” looks like, but it ain’t the Pentagon or Ministry of Defence.

All it needs is a way to communicate to the outside world, and the ability to be moved, lock, stock and barrel, in short order. That’s the nature of urban guerilla warfare.
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Now, where is that graphic of the "command and control centre" under the hospital that the IDF distributed when you need it?

Imho, they haven't found what they said was there. Were there tunnels there? Yes, of course. I would have put tunnels under there if I was Hamas. Was there a connection to the tunnels inside the hospital grounds? Very probably. It's a big hospital. Did they communicate from under the hospital. Presumably, yes. But was it the "beating heart" of Hamas? I haven't seen anything to justify that, quite honestly.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I’m not sure what you think a terrorist “control and command center” looks like, but it ain’t the Pentagon or Ministry of Defence.

All it needs is a way to communicate to the outside world, and the ability to be moved, lock, stock and barrel, in short order. That’s the nature of urban guerilla warfare.
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A bit like the huge haul of ammunition which the IDF told us was being stored at the Hospital.

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halfcenturyup said:
Now, where is that graphic of the "command and control centre" under the hospital that the IDF distributed when you need it?

Imho, they haven't found what they said was there. Were there tunnels there? Yes, of course. I would have put tunnels under there if I was Hamas. Was there a connection to the tunnels inside the hospital grounds? Very probably. It's a big hospital. Did they communicate from under the hospital. Presumably, yes. But was it the "beating heart" of Hamas? I haven't seen anything to justify that, quite honestly.
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Yes,it seems more likely that the Israelis have exaggerated the importance and scale of these "command and control" centres to try and justify the damage they were doing to take out a few bad guys.
 

Communist Party of Israel — Hadash: In response to an Israeli call "to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza"​


In a statement issued in response to the call to drop a nuclear bomb on the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, the head of the Democratic Front for Peace and Equality, and former Knesset Member Issam Makhoul called on the international community and relevant international organizations to remove the threat of Israeli nuclear weapons from the Palestinian people and the peoples in the region, and oblige Israel to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)!

"The call of the fascist minister in the government of Benjamin Netanyahu, Amichai Eliyahu, to drop a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip, in the light of the war of extermination and transfer waged by Israel, is a call that fits integrally with the genocidal rhetoric launched by the Israeli government and its security establishment towards the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and the Palestinian occupied territories.
The massacres and crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinian people in Gaza are not secondary consequences of the war, but the war itself. The call to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza is only part of the bloody racist and vengeful mood prevailing in Israel. The call to commit a nuclear crime against a defenseless people, issued by a minister in the government of an aggressive nuclear state that has been accumulating a huge nuclear arsenal for decades, must urgently be a source of real concern for the entire civilized world," Makhoul said.
Launching an international campaign to demand the opening of the Israeli nuclear arsenal to international inspection control and demanding that Israel must join the NPT, should be pushed firmly to the forefront of the global anti-nuclear agenda, of the IAEA, the countries in the Middle East, international organizations and non-governmental popular forces opposed to nuclear weapons. It is now urgent to push forward the idea of a regional and global initiative to create a Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in the Middle East, including the dismantling of Israeli nuclear weapons stocks".
Former MK Issam Makhoul quoted his warning in the Knesset since February 2nd,2000, regarding the dangers of Israel’s nuclear policy as follows:
"Today, the so called the policy of ambiguity applies only to the citizens of Israel. They are unable to function as Democratic critics of their government because the latter conceals from them the truth about an issue on which their lives depend. We have no information about the people who have their fingers on the nuclear button, what is their chain of command, or what is our defense if a nuclear Barukh Goldstine (the perpetrator of the massacre at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in February 1994) should infiltrate the system and equipped with a religious sanction from some settler rabbi, launches a nuclear Armageddon".
Makhoul concluded his statement saying: "Now it has become clearer than ever, that under the fascist government in Israel no body in our world can continue turning a blind eye to what happens around the nuclear buttons in Israel. This danger is not and cannot be an internal Israeli issue per se. It is a global responsibility.
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Communist Party of Israel — Hadash: In response to an Israeli call "to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza"

In a statement issued in response to the call to drop a nuclear bomb on the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, the head of the Democratic Front for
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halfcenturyup said:
Now, where is that graphic of the "command and control centre" under the hospital that the IDF distributed when you need it?

Imho, they haven't found what they said was there. Were there tunnels there? Yes, of course. I would have put tunnels under there if I was Hamas. Was there a connection to the tunnels inside the hospital grounds? Very probably. It's a big hospital. Did they communicate from under the hospital. Presumably, yes. But was it the "beating heart" of Hamas? I haven't seen anything to justify that, quite honestly.
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You're right. If that graphic from the IDF is still out there it's not easy to find online.

'"At the outset of the war, the IDF produced an illustration of what it called a multi-story terror underground complex below the hospital. It believes it has discovered part of it, although last night an IDF spokesman said that complex may only be one storey, not four."

Or it may have been a wildly exaggerated claim in order to justify war crimes. Or maybe they did mean story not storey.

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Israel presents most convincing evidence yet of Hamas military activity at Gaza's largest hospital

However, video footage released by the Israel Defence Forces falls short of proving there was a substantial secret subterranean command and control base below al Shifa hospital complex.
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