VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Stephen230 said:
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Can't be any worse.
 
Gazza said:
Now they're mic'd up why doesn't the linesman just concentrate on the forward's position and an official with an overall view of the game say 'now' when the player passing has kicked the ball?
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Once the Semi automated tech is adopted that tech will get refined until it evolves into a full-on automatic system.

I can see an end game where a buzzer sounds over the PA system as soon as a player touches or even runs towards a pass from an offside position.
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
Why are consistency and common sense polar opposites? You can consistently apply common sense.
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They aren’t, but to apply common sense you need to know what the purpose of a law is. The laws fail quite badly here as they try to cover every possible fair/foul detail rather giving an overview of why the law exists. This is most clearly seen in the laws for offside and handball where the purpose of the laws should be to prevent teams gaining an advantage from either having a player in an offside position or making contact with the ball with their hand/arm. In the case of fouls the twin purposes would be protecting the safety of players alongside stopping teams gaining an advantage by foul play.
 
Gazza said:
Can't be any worse.
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It’d be the same at best. The assistant’s will listen for the kick of the ball when the player passing isn’t in their vista.

They'd have to react to the word now being said and that time could mean making the wrong call.
 
Coljj said:
Once the Semi automated tech is adopted that tech will get refined until it evolves into a full-on automatic system.

I can see an end game where a buzzer sounds over the PA system as soon as a player touches or even runs towards a pass from an offside position.
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I’m very anti the current system but there will be a time when an automated system will work. Until it’s ready, withdraw the current
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
What’s the margin or error for that?

I’ve tried looking for it btw
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There isn’t one. Or at least one they admit to. They claim their system can decide if every single incident is either onside or offside, as a matter of fact, no matter how close.

The system they currently use in England has a margin of error, in the attackers favour, believed to be about five centimetres.
 
Stephen230 said:
There isn’t one. Or at least one they admit to. They claim their system can decide if every single incident is either onside or offside, as a matter of fact, no matter how close.

The system they currently use in England has a margin of error, in the attackers favour, believed to be about five centimetres.
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The fact that it's SEMI-automated tells a different story to your first paragraph. From what I understand it still requires human input as to WHEN the ball is played, it's only then that the automated system kicks in.

I honestly wouldn't trust the bunch of officials we have in this country to be able to correctly identify the exact point in time when the ball was kicked at kick-off or at a goal-kick, let along during play.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
The fact that it's SEMI-automated tells a different story to your first paragraph. From what I understand it still requires human input as to WHEN the ball is played, it's only then that the automated system kicks in.

I honestly wouldn't trust the bunch of officials we have in this country to be able to correctly identify the exact point in time when the ball was kicked at kick-off or at a goal-kick, let along during play.
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I think you’re wrong. But I’ll admit I’m not certain.

My understanding is that judging if a player is in an offside position is fully automated. The human in-put only comes in when deciding if a player is interfering with play or an opponent.
 
Stephen230 said:
I think you’re wrong. But I’ll admit I’m not certain.

My understanding is that judging if a player is in an offside position is fully automated. The human in-put only comes in when deciding if a player is interfering with play or an opponent.
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I'll hold my hands up, what I wrote was what I thought I'd remembered hearing at the time of the world cup, but having just read an article on it, you're correct; offsides are fully automated with chips in the centre of the ball to detect "exact kick points".

From the article...
"By combining the limb- and ball-tracking data and applying artificial intelligence, the new technology provides an automated offside alert to the video match officials inside the video operation room whenever the ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was played by a team-mate. Before informing the on-field referee, the video match officials validate the proposed decision by manually checking the automatically selected kick point and the automatically created offside line, which is based on the calculated positions of the players’ limbs. This process happens within a few seconds and means that offside decisions can be made faster and more accurately.

What happens if the video match officials do not agree with the proposed kick point and/or offside line?

If the video match officials do not agree with the kick point and/or offside line proposed by the system, they can manually select the kick point and use the existing tools to draw the offside line."
 
Stephen230 said:
I think you’re wrong. But I’ll admit I’m not certain.

My understanding is that judging if a player is in an offside position is fully automated. The human in-put only comes in when deciding if a player is interfering with play or an opponent.
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As ever with the football authorities they hold back info which would help people understand the system. It’s so frustrating
 
Stephen230 said:
I think you’re wrong. But I’ll admit I’m not certain.

My understanding is that judging if a player is in an offside position is fully automated. The human in-put only comes in when deciding if a player is interfering with play or an opponent.
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That's right. The moment the ball is played us determined by the cameras at UEFA and by a motion sensor in the ball at FIFA. God knows why two different systems. Football, eh?
 
Decisions like that and the Jota penalty on Monday night are just going to encourage play acting and diving in the game

The Palace player there was barely touched but stayed down pretending to be hurt to get a red card……and it worked
No punishment for play acting, it’s encouraged
 
IrishBlueSince92 said:
Decisions like that and the Jota penalty on Monday night are just going to encourage play acting and diving in the game

The Palace player there was barely touched but stayed down pretending to be hurt to get a red card……and it worked
No punishment for play acting, it’s encouraged
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Oh no! VAR has eradicated play acting and dangerous fouls from the game

;-)
 
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