North Stand Construction Discussion

Just a brief point.


Cheap seasoncards and no hospitality / corporate areas don't equate to getting a return on the cost of the expanded NS. As we've seen for quite a while now there is a relentless drive to maximise revenue and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
supercity88 said:
They do, but you don't put time money and effort into something just to change it. This has been thoroughly considered by the club who will know the revenue streams, what the future hospitality demand will be and have therefore designed the new stand to meet the needs of the club's future. It's going to be a GA+ area. Whether it's exactly like Joe's and has padded seats who knows, but it's designed to offer a slightly more premium ticket. I don't see what's going to come out of the woodwork to change their current proposal.

Longer term we could see a change. If and when the side stands get expanded, that's when you'd expect to see more hospitality added and at that point perhaps the GA+ could change, but again I doubt the club will do that unless it's failing. They'll know the waiting list on hospitality, know how many want this sort of offering and will have designed it accordingly. I'd be fairly confident in believing this would be 700ish padded seats with access to a pay as you go bar/catering area. And I'd also be fairly confident in saying, I don't think plans for it change.



I think it's better to have the hardcore at the back of the stand where the noise retaining materials are. The noise would just disappear, rather than spread if our more vocal fans were at the front and centre of the stand.


It would, but that means two separate areas rather than one in the middle so I'm guessing they thought it best to accommodate it this way.
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You might have misunderstood. I have always maintained it is flexible enough that it Can change, without much of a process. How it is used, rather than shown.

Which it is. Put the purple colour and the + lable off to the side. Stick some padding on those seats, and you have a 'hospitality light' (good choice of words whoever first used it) area with a slightly more direct access to a bar. Don't put any padding, don't price it any higher, it is just the same as any other area of the stand, and the bar is the same as all other, withbthe same bogs and access points. Put padding on all other seats, and none on these, and they becone the only non hospitality seats in the stand, with their own hardcore bar. Use the bar to store banners and vuvuzellas if you want to, for quick rolling out of displays. Pad every seat in the stand and sell then all as general admission etc etc etc. It really makes no material difference to what has been approved, it is a pricing and operational choice.
 
supercity88 said:
They do, but you don't put time money and effort into something just to change it. This has been thoroughly considered by the club who will know the revenue streams, what the future hospitality demand will be and have therefore designed the new stand to meet the needs of the club's future. It's going to be a GA+ area. Whether it's exactly like Joe's and has padded seats who knows, but it's designed to offer a slightly more premium ticket. I don't see what's going to come out of the woodwork to change their current proposal.

Longer term we could see a change. If and when the side stands get expanded, that's when you'd expect to see more hospitality added and at that point perhaps the GA+ could change, but again I doubt the club will do that unless it's failing. They'll know the waiting list on hospitality, know how many want this sort of offering and will have designed it accordingly. I'd be fairly confident in believing this would be 700ish padded seats with access to a pay as you go bar/catering area. And I'd also be fairly confident in saying, I don't think plans for it change.



I think it's better to have the hardcore at the back of the stand where the noise retaining materials are. The noise would just disappear, rather than spread if our more vocal fans were at the front and centre of the stand.


It would, but that means two separate areas rather than one in the middle so I'm guessing they thought it best to accommodate it this way.
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Front and back both have their pluses and minuses.

The problem is, yes, another problem(oh FO, jrb!), the hotel suites, balconies, and another hospitality section at the back of NSL2. So where are the singers going to go and stand on NSL2? Why have the club not factored that in or placed an official singing section on NSL2? Why does it seem all the thought and planning has gone into hospitality, whilst a singing section, be it one or two blocks hasn’t been considered and isn’t part of the plans, nor is it in the planning application bar a reference to possible future safe standing on L1 and L2? I wouldn’t mind if the club had made one or both of the two outer blocks a safe standing and singing section/s. At least the singers would have a block or blocks they could go into.

Far left corner on L2 above the entrance and exit.

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I‘m still frustrated there has been no or little thought or appetite by the club for an official singing section/s on NSL2.
 
HelloCity said:
How the SS screens looked in the final render.

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There is a massive difference between an "artist impression" which is what that image is and engineers drawings. Those corners are used by security, disabled supporters and much more so presumably have not as yet been signed off for being blocked off by screens
 
InvisibleFan said:
There is a massive difference between an "artist impression" which is what that image is and engineers drawings. Those corners are used by security, disabled supporters and much more so presumably have not as yet been signed off for being blocked off by screens
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Cheers Geoff.
 
If you think back it was the club that quietly created an official singing section in block 115 from what was then an unofficial singing section. The club encouraged fans to relocate to 115 working with 1894 on the process. Of late the club has flooded 115 with stewards, and the Police have been in there. Season tickets are checked randomly by stewards trying to stop fans from other blocks going into 115. Fans from other blocks in SSL1 try and get into 115 because it’s popular, and because that’s where most of the chants start off. Whilst the club will see it as over crowding and against the stadium regulations, hence the recent clampdown in 115.
 
These padded seats people are talking about are they Pile friendly? Just asking for a friend.
 
How far can filled Vol-Au-Vents be thrown? Will they reach Onana from the hospitality section at the front of NSL2?
 
Coatigan said:
Genuine question, what's the fucking difference? As proposed.

Physically, rather than your philosophical view of demographics by price.
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Have I missed the law that states people sat in padded seats are not allowed to sing?
 
jrb said:
Valid points. Not going to argue about that. What I will say is the Tifo is only going to be used for big games, so it will only impact the GA+’s for those games. The GA+’s may even buy into the Tifo, not that they will have a choice on the matter.

One of the issues will be standing. There will be a huge split on NSL2 of fans who prefer and want to stand, and fans who want to sit after paying for a seat. Fans who stand aren’t bothered about paying for the seat to sit on. They want to stand. Look at the new Spurs how end, full of rail seating, Spurs fans stand in their new home end. The same with the KOP, the Stratford End, the Holte End, the Gallowgate End, the Shed end, Everton’s new single tier end will be full of Everton fans standing when it’s open, etc. Why is our NSL2 home end going to be any different with 8000 City fans in it, with many of them determined to stand and sing? As a rule singers don’t sit. I sing. I stand. I don’t sing and sit. It’s alien to me. Standing and singing is 2nd nature to me and other singers.
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I’ve not been on this thread in a while - but is the plan to have rail seating in nsl2 or do we not know yet?
 
Northblue said:
Ffs, imagine a lot will stay in the ss & corners if that’s the case
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It’s a hard one to call.

It’s against ground regulations to stand in seated areas. Hence why Liverpool are already under pressure from the council and the authorities due to persistent standing by Liverpool fans in the new upper tier of the Anfield Road stand, which has just partially opened.

Liverpool’s message to fans amid persistent Anfield Road standing concerns​


www.thisisanfield.com

LFC's message to fans amid persistent Anfield Road standing concerns

The upper tier does not have safe standing zones.
www.thisisanfield.com www.thisisanfield.com

Now replicate that and times it by 8000 in NSL2.
 
jrb said:
If you think back it was the club that quietly created an official singing section in block 115 from what was then an unofficial singing section. The club encouraged fans to relocate to 115 working with 1894 on the process. Of late the club has flooded 115 with stewards, and the Police have been in there. Season tickets are checked randomly by stewards trying to stop fans from other blocks going into 115. Fans from other blocks in SSL1 try and get into 115 because it’s popular, and because that’s where most of the chants start off. Whilst the club will see it as over crowding and against the stadium regulations, hence the recent clampdown in 115.
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All part of the plan to make the singers so frustrated they move to the expanded NS mate!

In terms of some of your other posts, I get your frustrations. A new expanded NS 2nd tier with nearly 10,000 fans. It could have been epic. It feels somewhat diluted by the other elements. But, as to be expected, revenue is the driving force behind these proposals. That's goal number 1 - increase revenue. And in their feasibility studies they'll have come up with a number of scenarios to balance this. It's a compromise. You've got 9,000 potentially safe standing tickets within a single tier, with acoustic support from the walls behind and to the side. You might have some GA+ in the middle and they might be sat down. Odd yes, but it wouldn't make too much difference in the grand scheme of creating an atmosphere. I think sometimes you view these things through the eyes of a rival fan, who would think it looks odd seeing some empty seats at kickoff or people sat down amongst thousands of singers. But no one would care if we had 9,000 blues making a din in a stadium with 60,000+ people in it.

It's buzzing for the big games as it is. Add this expansion and the noise levels go up again with the improve acoustic design. As fans, sadly it's not perfect. But it's still better than people split between different sections in my opinion. But it has to be safe standing in at least the GA sections.
 
supercity88 said:
All part of the plan to make the singers so frustrated they move to the expanded NS mate!

In terms of some of your other posts, I get your frustrations. A new expanded NS 2nd tier with nearly 10,000 fans. It could have been epic. It feels somewhat diluted by the other elements. But, as to be expected, revenue is the driving force behind these proposals. That's goal number 1 - increase revenue. And in their feasibility studies they'll have come up with a number of scenarios to balance this. It's a compromise. You've got 9,000 potentially safe standing tickets within a single tier, with acoustic support from the walls behind and to the side. You might have some GA+ in the middle and they might be sat down. Odd yes, but it wouldn't make too much difference in the grand scheme of creating an atmosphere. I think sometimes you view these things through the eyes of a rival fan, who would think it looks odd seeing some empty seats at kickoff or people sat down amongst thousands of singers. But no one would care if we had 9,000 blues making a din in a stadium with 60,000+ people in it.

It's buzzing for the big games as it is. Add this expansion and the noise levels go up again with the improve acoustic design. As fans, sadly it's not perfect. But it's still better than people split between different sections in my opinion. But it has to be safe standing in at least the GA sections.
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I fully accept revenue was and still is the major driving factor for the redevelopment of the NS. I’m sure the club have admitted that in private, but won’t admit it in public. That isn’t hard to guess though with the proposed NSL2 hospitality areas and seating layout.

I honestly don’t think NSL2 will be Safe standing seating ever. You can’t add safe standing seating in-between hospitality areas and ambulant seating. It just won’t work. It’s possible to put safe standing seating into the 2 outer blocks as they sort of have their own entrances and exits directly below the blocks. Safe standing seats on one or both of those outer blocks won’t impact on the central seating areas. That’s the only way I can see safe standing seating being installed on NSL2. I’m more inclined, like others, to think the club will install safe standing seating in NSL1 in the future to mirror SSL1 and blocks 111 and 110. At least that way both ends will have standing City fans pitch side. And both ends may eventually have singing sections and singers in them?
 
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