PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough. You may well be right, we will see in due course, I suppose. It's just a hypothesis that meets most of the outstanding questions I have on the PL process. So I am comfortable with it.

And don't forget the club may say they have cooperated fully, but the PL obviously doesn't think so because non-cooperation is one of the alleged breaches. So there is a dispute between what the PL wanted and what the club gave. Bearing in mind the court order to comply with the PL's infoemation requests, I can't imagine the club has withheld information required by the PL rules in the relevant years. So I am left with things they asked for that the PL rules didn't specifically require to be handed over. Add to that the recent rule change requiring external evidence and the club's apparent (reported) recent challenge that new rules can't be applied retroactively and it all makes sense to me.

Could all be bollocks, though, granted :)
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For what it is worth, I don't exactly think you are 'wrong'. I am just not convinced but I get that is your own conclusion and I understand how you came to it. As you say, time will tell. In many ways, probably best if you were right, as it would make it far simpler, possibly.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I have been involved in plenty of investigations. You only hand over what you are legally obliged to do. If you hand over other information, you are opening the door to, and setting a precedent for, further investigation.

The CAS investigation is a good example. The club held back the external information until CAS. Even then UEFA disputed the methodology behind some of it. In the investigation phase, they could have asked for more detailed external information or information using a different methodology and, if the club refused, it would have reflected badly. In the arbitration phase, UEFA could only point out their objections and then CAS had to make its mind up. It's a question of controlling the flow of information.
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The downside of that is, in most appeals you can only present what was handed over in the first place, and not new evidence. Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't think the club would withold anything that they thought would outright clear the investigation.
 
Coatigan said:
For what it is worth, I don't exactly think you are 'wrong'. I am just not convinced but I get that is your own conclusion and I understand how you came to it. As you say, time will tell. In many ways, probably best if you were right, as it would make it far simpler, possibly.
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Yes, it would :)
 
Coatigan said:
The downside of that is, in most appeals you can only present what was handed over in the first place, and not new evidence. Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't think the club would withold anything that they thought would outright clear the investigation.
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This isn't an appeal, though. It's a de novo review of evidence that the two parties have to provide to the IP once the alleged breaches are passed down to them.

I am imagining the PL seeing the club's list of external evidence and thinking: "we are fucked here."

I have been known to be wrong, though. :)
 
Jordan is typical of the bore who pores over a thesaurus, picks out a “new” word, then tries to dazzle everyone with his lexicon.

Except, he regularly, predictably (and quite amusingly) exposes himself as a lightly-read, shallow dullard by using the wrong word, the wrong pronunciation or a spoonerism that he’s completely unaware he’s made.

“The ascetics of my previous house were quite beautiful .”


No Simon. The aesthetics were.
 
waspish said:
Parry on talksport talks like he is a dictator wants to control everything no one asks how did football last for over 120 years without interference by people like him!?
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Football governance would be infinitely better off were Parry to sail off into the sunset and ne'er return.
 
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