PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Dribble]

Is there any chance the tribunal is already happening? Seems a bit weird that the allegations have been published and there is a year or two before any defence can be made.

I'm thinking this is the case after his comment:

"There is a date set for that proceeding, unfortunately I can't tell you when that is, but it is progressing."

That sounds like it's ongoing. The Autumn 2024 date was newspapers speculation & never confirmed by the PL or City. \0/

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

I think by now it’s well established that he doesn’t support City. Irrespective of that though, on this occasion I think he’s right about the very limited circumstances under which we can pursue this further, should we get found guilty by the IP, namely that unless the judgment is preposterous and they haven’t followed procedure correctly, then an appeal to a 2nd IP would be the end of the line…..

Not true. If the basis for which both the conviction and the potential decision by the appeal board not to overturn it, is that we have commiting fraud (which it must be), then the next stage is the big boy courts. Then the government would likely become involved because of the inability for football to self regulate in a manner by which a team can be punished by a panel for an apparent act of fraud that the legal courts haven't prosecuted on

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I don't think @projectriver @petrusha and the rest are saying that at all. The IP is completely competent to conclude the club has breached its contract with the PL in a civil environment, even if it implies fraudulent activity.

I think the serious nature of the allegations raises the cogency of the evidence required to a level that is very unlikely to be available to the PL, which is why they are generally optimistic as to the outcome.

My understanding of projectriver's posts is certainly that the PL is going to have to present very compelling evidence indeed to the IC because of the gravity of the charges. He believes however that our case depends on the question of sponsorship and in particular the funding of the sponsorship. I believe he maintains that the PL has to find evidence of deception and/or fraudulent intent or they cannot surmount the obstacle of time barring. Deception and fraudulent intent are (I submit!) matters which an IC is in no way competent to decide. If they did City would appeal to the courts immediately - unless of course we were banged to rights!!! In which case we may try to take the punishment but it seems unlikely.

I do suspect that I'm getting hung up on a right of appeal and yet I share the certainty of others that we will never need to consider an appeal. "We ain't don nuffink' me lord".

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Not true. If the basis for which both the conviction and the potential decision by the appeal board not to overturn it, is that we have commiting fraud (which it must be), then the next stage is the big boy courts. Then the government would likely become involved because of the inability for football to self regulate in a manner by which a team can be punished by a panel for an apparent act of fraud that the legal courts haven't prosecuted on

I’d have to go back and check, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what Stefan said, and it was he that I was trying to clumsily paraphrase

 

[SatOnTheWall]

Who in their right mind would be against reckless owners putting their clubs" existence at risk?

Except it isn’t that kind of owner that puts clubs at risk. It is the greedy bastards asset-stripping, as happened to Bury. See also Derby and Sheffield Wednesday.

Where were the protective measures then?

It is all bollocks. No one at the top end of football gives a shit about anything except themselves and lining their own pockets.

 

[Dribble]

Not if found guilty of fraud. We would take it to High Court, forget tribunals and Premier League rules at that stage.

Hence why neither UEFA or the PL have ever levied the word "fraud" at City, even after City goaded them to dare use it.

The moment they do, the whole process will be taken out of the PL's bullshit tribunal process, & into the UK Law Courts.

The PL are trying to avoid this at all costs, because they know it'll kill the validity of their FFP/PSR at a stroke.

Just like UEFA's attempt:

UEFA's FFP bullshit tribunal = City guilty.

CAS framework based on EU Law = City not guilty.

For the UK Law Courts, see the CAS verdict.

 

[foggy1974]

Worth watching.

Listening to that it Sounds as though Lfc, sorry the premier league, wanted to relegate Everton last season

 

[pauls]

What you said wasn't shit in the slightest, just a different approach that's all, but just as valid mate. :-)

Hence why neither UEFA or the PL have ever levied the word "fraud" at City, even after City goaded them to dare use it.

The moment they do, the whole process will be taken out of the PL's bullshit tribunal process, & into the UK Law Courts.

The PL are trying to avoid this at all costs, because they know it'll kill the validity of their FFP/PSR at a stroke.

Just like UEFA's attempt, UEFA's FFP bullshit tribunal = City guilty.

CAS framework based on EU Law = City not guilty.

Seems to me this is where we are at -stalemate, who blinks first !

 

[bluemanchester]

I'm not a legal expert like some on here;-) but if City do offer the irrefutable evidence they say they have and this irrefutable evidence explains and shows City have done everything right and the IC ignore this and deliver a guilty verdict anyway (kangaroo court anyone).
Would this not be grounds for appeal as the IC have ignored compelling evidence. I will take my bar exam tonight on my bar stool at the pub, if I'm right.

 

[Mr Fraser]

Listening to that it Sounds as though Lfc, sorry the premier league, wanted to relegate Everton last season

LFC, MUFC, sorry I mean the premier league would prefer only 1 (no relegation) franchise per major conurbation. Apart from 2 in that there london

 

[The blue phantom]

To confirm, this is your opinion and is not supported by any sort of facts.

The PL would not be finding City guilty of fraud albeit they could/would strongly infer it. Any ruling by the tribunal cannot be appealed outside of the PL environment, unless it is founded upon such completely egregious reasoning as to convince a commercial court to take it on, and even then, a commercial court has already ruled the PL have jurisdiction to hear the case, not them.

TLDR version, unless City put forth such evidence as to show completely incontrovertibly that everything was above board, the IC acknowledges it and openly ignores it, the case will end within the PL environment.

I'm not buying that. As I said earlier a £5 Billion +.Business could be ruined aswel as countless individuals reputations by just these Three people with no chance of any appeal.

Not having it.

 

[LongsightM13]

Not sure I get the point here? Mansour did even better than an interest free loan at the time, he put money in as equity.

A loan isn’t allowed now for coverage of debt under PSR anyway I don’t think.

I’m taking about the allegation that we disguised owner funding as sponsorships
He could have just ‘loaned’ us the cash like Abramovic, loaded us with debt, and saved himself all the bother

 

[Jacko1956]

There might me something were over looking, these charges were all alleged during last season before we had the most successful season of any club in English football history ! Winning five major trophies not only winning the Premier League 3 times in a row but becoming undisputed champions of Europe and the world. If the Premier League through the independent panel were to find us guilty how badly would this reflect on those who run the Premier and how badly would it undermine the league ! Let's be honest they'd be no chance of any similar charges being brought on Madrid, Bayern in their leagues or the rags or dippers ovet here in the same circumstances !

 

[applecentral]

What you said wasn't shit in the slightest, just a different approach that's all, but just as valid mate. :-)

You 2 should hug!

 

[applecentral]

Manchester City fans wishing to attend away games in the 25/26 season can do so on the understanding they will be collected at a central point (like the train station), be forced to strip naked and have their hair shaved off. They will then be put in chain gang irons and paraded publicly on the way to the stadium whereby home fans will be encouraged to pelt them with rotten fruit and animal faeces. They will be led Sir Alex Ferguson who will ring a bell shouting “Shame!” as the pitiful March makes its way through rival towns and cities.

That’s a bit too lenient don’t you think?

 

[Bez]

The PL bungled the announcement of the charges against City. The statement included errors. We all know this. Did their hot shot lawyer, KC Lewis actually advise them before the PL published the charges? If so, looks a bit sloppy for someone of his calibre. Looks like the PL rushed things out without proper legal counsel. Equally, I wonder if it was on KC Lewis's advice to go for the 115 charges rather than a more targeted approach? Is it possible the PL pressed the send button without getting thorough advice beforehand? All looks a bit rushed. Perhaps Masters had a metaphorical gun to his head what with the independent regulator on the horizon and the red cartel plus rubbishy Spurs on his case. We will probably never know.

 

[Jacko1956]

The PL bungled the announcement of the charges against City. The statement included errors. We all know this. Did their hot shot lawyer, KC Lewis actually advise them before the PL published the charges? If so, looks a bit sloppy for someone of his calibre. Looks like the PL rushed things out without proper legal counsel. Equally, I wonder if it was on KC Lewis's advice to go for the 115 charges rather than a more targeted approach? Is it possible the PL pressed the send button without getting thorough advice beforehand? All looks a bit rushed. Perhaps Masters had a metaphorical gun to his head what with the independent regulator on the horizon and the red cartel plus rubbishy Spurs on his case. We will probably never know.

Not sure when they charged us the envisaged us winning all 5 major trophies on offer thus becoming the most successful side in English football history in one season ! Will certainly harm the Premier League and its officials in they find us guilty as it took them from 2011to 2023 to find these so called breaches !

 

[Gordyola]

Can't see Red Bird Capital putting the screws on Liverpool, although one of their funds is being bankrolled by our owner for the Telegraph purchase?

Been plotting out all the fingers that Mansour has in various pies as it relates to football


As you can see he has a partnership with RedBird with his IMI company not sure if it’s RedBird IMI who has shared in Fenway though

 

[Iassel]

Aren’t you going to tell us which team you support?
We’re all waiting

I mean you seem to be embarrassing yourself at a consistent level in this thread because you seemingly can’t comprehend that people can follow Manchester City and also know that the Trumpian conspiracies aren’t actually real.

 

[Damanino]

we often forget that side of things when they announced the charges they were hoping to wreck our season. potentially piss off Pep, some players, their agents to ask club for details potentially engineer moves away.

none of this happened, on the contrary it motivated us to a treble, I am sure Pep managed to use this to our advantage in a way of pumping up the players "listen, they say we cheated we didnt earn all those trophies, lets make sure we go out to the pitch and show them what we are made of".

it doesnt take away from the fact they wanted to wreck us. announce it just before CL knock out stages started and were couple points behind Arse in the PL.

of course the corrupt media also didnt like that the charges actually made us stronger on the pith funnily hence the almost unbearable line of articles against City mainly with the attitude "why is the delay to announce the guilt of City" and even for that City is responsible of course as we did no cooperate and slowing down the investigation.