Shamima Begum

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Think we see things differently fella . Maybe we should lets the families of victims decide the law .

I note you’ve conspicuously not answered my last question.

When you say allow the victims to decide the law, do you mean on a case by case basis?

 

[Paul1970]

I note you’ve conspicuously not answered my last question.

When you say allow the victims to decide the law, do you mean on a case by case basis?

You wouldn’t like my answer fella

 

[Blue and true]

Think we see things differently fella . Maybe we should lets the families of victims decide the law .

Of course, because that would be a brilliant idea.

Jesus Christ.

 

[Paul1970]

Of course, because that would be a brilliant idea.

Jesus Christ.

Have you ever had anyone of your family took away by murder ? I have and it fucking hurts

 

[Blue and true]

Have you ever had anyone of your family took away by murder ? I have and it fucking hurts

Firstly, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't want to imagine what that feels like.

But do you not see the flaw inherent on allowing the bereaved to decide criminal sentences?

 

[BobKowalski]

You wouldn’t like my answer fella

No. Because wanting to shoot underage girls is seriously fucked up.

 

[Paul1970]

Firstly, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't want to imagine what that feels like.

But do you not see the flaw inherent on allowing the bereaved to decide criminal sentences?

Thank you for that . Maybe I’m being abit rash about it but if she was an innocent girl who regretted it I’d say she deserves another chance but she embraced the culture and thrived on being a member of daesh and it was only when the kingdom fell that she wanted out . Probably shouldn’t have said to shoot her but I’ve always jumped in with both feet

 

[BobKowalski]

Thank you for that . Maybe I’m being abit rash about it but if she was an innocent girl who regretted it I’d say she deserves another chance but she embraced the culture and thrived on being a member of daesh and it was only when the kingdom fell that she wanted out . Probably shouldn’t have said to shoot her but I’ve always jumped in with both feet

It was a bit much for a Sunday morning…

 

[west didsblue]

So if the ICJ finds that Israel has committed genocide can we strip British Jews serving in the IDF of their citizenship on basis they will be entitled to Israeli citizenship?

If Begum can have her citizenship removed by the Home Secretary, then every person in the UK with an possible entitlement to citizenship of another country can theoretically have their citizenship arbitrarily removed by the Home Secretary. That probably covers about a quarter of the population which includes all Jews, nearly every person with a foreign parent and quite a few with a foreign grandparent depending on the laws of each country.

 

[KS55]

If Begum can have her citizenship removed by the Home Secretary, then every person in the UK with a possible entitlement to citizenship of another country can theoretically have their citizenship arbitrarily removed by the Home Secretary. That probably covers about a quarter of the population which includes all Jews, nearly every person with a foreign parent and quite a few with a foreign grandparent depending on the laws of each country.

We are not citizens but SUBJECTS. Sums it up really.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

If Begum can have her citizenship removed by the Home Secretary, then every person in the UK with an possible entitlement to citizenship of another country can theoretically have their citizenship arbitrarily removed by the Home Secretary. That probably covers about a quarter of the population which includes all Jews, nearly every person with a foreign parent and quite a few with a foreign grandparent depending on the laws of each country.

and everyone from Northern Ireland

 

[urban genie]

and everyone from Northern Ireland

I have always wonder why NI isn't classed as a crown dependency or overseas teritory?

technically, though part of the British Isles it isn't part of the largest Island in the archepeligo which comprises England, Scotland and Wales, but on a seperate Island so should be treated like the channel Islands and Ise of Man shirley?

 

[KS55]

I have always wonder why NI isn't classed as a crown dependency or overseas teritory?

technically, though part of the British Isles it isn't part of the largest Island in the archepeligo which comprises England, Scotland and Wales, but on a seperate Island so should be treated like the channel Islands and Ise of Man shirley?

Er…..Ireland has a history as part of the UK. See the Act of Union.

 

[urban genie]

Er…..Ireland has a history as part of the UK. See the Act of Union.

I know 1801 ratified by the british and Irish parliament and repealed in 1922 along with partition andnalso a caviat that 3 new staes were from, Gb, The irish free state and NI which tbf made Northern Island no different to Jersey, Geurnsey or IoM as not mainland Britain

That is why I quiried why it was not , at tge time made a crown dependancy like other off shore memebrs of the british Islands territories.

Just wondered, not suggesting a political opinion that it should be one, just seems it fits the bill

 

[KS55]

I know 1801 ratified by the british and Irish parliament and repealed in 1922 along with partition andnalso a caviat that 3 new staes were from, Gb, The irish free state and NI which tbf made Northern Island no different to Jersey, Geurnsey or IoM as not mainland Britain

That is why I quiried why it was not , at tge time made a crown dependancy like other off shore memebrs of the british Islands territories.

Just wondered, not suggesting a political opinion that it should be one, just seems it fits the bill

I’m sure the unionists would have just loved being kicked out of the uk.
Dont confuse constitutional matters with geography.

 

[urban genie]

I’m sure the unionists would have just loved being kicked out of the uk.
Dont confuse constitutional matters with geography.

Yeah but they are not kicked out and would be classed as menbers of great britain like channel islanfers are, they currently are not UK or great Britain anyway as everyones passport states

All making them a crown dependancy would do is seperate them from UK law (which they pretty much have already) and also remove their right to sit in parliament, as they would have a govenor general instead, appointed.

Might have stopped all the stormont childishness as they wouldn't have westminster to hide behind

 

[PragueBlue]

they currently are not UK or great Britain anyway as everyones passport states

I thought they were UK but not Britain.

 

[KS55]

Yeah but they are not kicked out and would be classed as menbers of great britain like channel islanfers are, they currently are not UK or great Britain anyway as everyones passport states

All making them a crown dependancy would do is seperate them from UK law (which they pretty much have already) and also remove their right to sit in parliament, as they would have a govenor general instead, appointed.

Might have stopped all the stormont childishness as they wouldn't have westminster to hide behind

Crikey! Has the history of Ireland passed you by? There was a war about this, two wars actually. Three wars if you go back to the glorious Revolution. It’s all in the name Unionist.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Crikey! Has the history of Ireland passed you by?

If what he suggested had happened in 1921 then the history of Ireland, the UK and the province may have been very different.

 

[urban genie]

I thought they were UK but not Britain.

yes ypu are correct they are stated as UK however that was my.point what makes them different than Jersey? lets be honest they are an overseas territory not part of the mainland so why not make them a crown dependency once Ireland became a republic?

Honestly was just a random question that came into my head, what they are really doesn't matter to me and also seems eventually they will re-unify if polls and opinipns of the younger irish of both countries is to be belived