Shamima Begum

gordondaviesmoustache said:
If what he suggested had happened in 1921 then the history of Ireland, the UK and the province may have been very different.
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You can say that again. We’d still be fighting but the Unionists would be the enemy as well as Sinn Fein..
”By the way lads, the Irish in Dublin are being a bit of a nuisance, so we have decided to dissolve the whole union with Ireland.”
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
In answer to your question, yes I do, although one of them has since proved he should probably be retained indefinitely.

I find it astonishing that anyone can support the execution of a child. Even in late Victorian times this didn’t occur because there was a recognition that young people are far more capable of redemption, and are less responsible for their actions than an adult who should bear far more responsibility for them and is (most likely) much less capable of changing their behaviour.

Given you support it, would you be happy to be part of the firing squad that executed her as a 15 year old?
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There's posters on here who wanted the Bulger Murderers executed at the age they committed the act. Funnily enough though if it was their child who did the wicked thing they refused to answer if He/She should warrant the same fate. I guess @Paul1970 would be the same.
 
urban genie said:
I know 1801 ratified by the british and Irish parliament and repealed in 1922 along with partition andnalso a caviat that 3 new staes were from, Gb, The irish free state and NI which tbf made Northern Island no different to Jersey, Geurnsey or IoM as not mainland Britain

That is why I quiried why it was not , at tge time made a crown dependancy like other off shore memebrs of the british Islands territories.

Just wondered, not suggesting a political opinion that it should be one, just seems it fits the bill
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Did any of those other territories have strong separatist movements?

Seems the obvious reason is that they weren't given greater autonomy because Britain wanted to ensure that NI stayed part of the UK.
 
BrianW said:
What I can't quite get my head around is that 499 others did what she did (or worse) and are living here among us with few, if any, consequences. While I have no real sympathy for this stupid woman, I don't see what makes her worse than the rest.

Maybe the law needs to change so that British citizens who go abroad to take part in terrorism and support illegal regimes commit a definite offence just by going, and face heavy penalties.

Neither the Statute of Treason (1352) nor The Foreign Enlistment Act (1870) appear to be effective in these cases. However, to my mind, a clearer case of 'adhering to the King's enemies without the realm' can scarcely be imagined.
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I saw one girl who was jailed on her return on this morning last year, so there are consequences for some
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Did any of those other territories have strong separatist movements?

Seems the obvious reason is that they weren't given greater autonomy because Britain wanted to ensure that NI stayed part of the UK.
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yeah for a long while whenn orriginally occupied Jersey objected and were happy to become french imstead of british rule


s I said ot was a musing, not a statement of belief on my part, just wondered why NI which are not part of the british islands (but part of the british isles like ilreland) were not treated like other overseas assets and therefore a crown dependency
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
When did that end?
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ask some residents now, it never did

like many brettons that reside on jersey do so because the consider themselves british not french, and wish brittany would return to UK control.

I lived there 10 years and still talk to many friends there, many consider themselves more french than british
 
urban genie said:
ask some residents now, it never did

like many brettons that reside on jersey do so because the consider themselves british not french, and wish brittany would return to UK control.

I lived there 10 years and still talk to many friends there, many consider themselves more french than british
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Do they want to pay VAT and income tax to the french government and give up their key sectors that could only exist in a tax haven?

It doesn't sound like a serious political campaign for separatism. It's just the Island's equivalent of green and gold scarves.

Ireland gained independence from being a bloody nuisance to control and govern, so obviously the UK government weren't going to give up control of Northern Ireland willing.

They gerrymandered the rump of Ulster to ensure a unionist majority, why would a crown dependency have been beneficial to ensuring the country stayed part of the UK.

The Crown dependencies each have their own unique relationship with the Crown. Making NI directly answerable to the Crown would have been a political coup for Irish Republicanism.
 
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Mr Kobayashi said:
Do they want to pay VAT and income tax to the french government and give up their key sectors that could only exist in a tax haven?

It doesn't sound like a serious political campaign for separatism. It's just the Island's equivalent of green and gold scarves.

Ireland gained independence from being a bloody nuisance to control and govern, so obviously the UK government weren't going to give up control of Northern Ireland willing.

They gerrymander the rump of Ulster to ensure a unionist majority, why would a crown dependency have been beneficial to ensuring the country stayed part of the UK.

The Crown dependencies each have their own unique relationship with the Crown. Making NI directly answerable to the Crown would have been a political coup for Irish Republicanism.
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really and honestly I don't care.

not sure how many times I can say my origianl question wasn't political or economical or social just a wondering what made NI different to other british islands overseas nations, just an inocent question that was answered early doors.

not sure why you are so bothered to keep mithering me on somwtbing not related to the thread.

seriously question asked, question answered, after that I habe no interest in a pointless conversation
 
urban genie said:
really and honestly I don't care.

not sure how many times I can say my origianl question wasn't political or economical or social just a wondering what made NI different to other british islands overseas nations, just an inocent question that was answered early doors.

not sure why you are so bothered to keep mithering me on somwtbing not related to the thread.

seriously question asked, question answered, after that I habe no interest in a pointless conversation
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Lol. Not sure why you think that's mithering.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Lol. Not sure why you think that's mithering.
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well you kept replying when I clearly said I had no skin in the game and just sked a random question, seemed lime you wanted a discussion that wasn't there.

maybe I was wrong.

though at least the last 4 page broke up the monotomy of this thread ;-)
 
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Shamima Begum shouldn't have lost her British citizenship

Parliamentary sovereignty is the bedrock of the constitution, and the courts ought to accept it, even when bad laws are passed. It is not the job of the courts to make the law, but to adjudicate on it. Thus the Appeal Court ruling against Shamima Begum is right, even if the decision of Sajid Javid,
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Well here’s a collectors item, I completely agree with Rees Mogg and he sums up exactly my issues with it.

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meltonblue said:
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Shamima Begum shouldn't have lost her British citizenship

Parliamentary sovereignty is the bedrock of the constitution, and the courts ought to accept it, even when bad laws are passed. It is not the job of the courts to make the law, but to adjudicate on it. Thus the Appeal Court ruling against Shamima Begum is right, even if the decision of Sajid Javid,
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

Well here’s a collectors item, I completely agree with Rees Mogg and he sums up exactly my issues with it.

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I logged on to say the same thing. It really comes to something when it takes Rees-Mogg to remind everyone of very basic principles of constitutional liberalism.

 
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