PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Not sure if serious. It's Everton's fault for using all the opportunities the rules give it to defend itself? That's a weird take from a lawyer isn't it?

There is only one reason why it will be a mess this year, imho. And that is because the rules have allowed it to be.
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Think he was being tongue in cheek - no?
 
Sir peace frog said:
ineptitude/ complacency ? that guy hacked governments/police forces/banks,he could hack anything, there was fuck all we could of done to stop him,that guy could hack nasa if he wanted to, whats more important is, why did he choose to hack city ?
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Because our password was “I8rags123”.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not sure if serious. It's Everton's fault for using all the opportunities the rules give it to defend itself? That's a weird take from a lawyer isn't it?

There is only one reason why it will be a mess this year, imho. And that is because the rules have allowed it to be.
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I am serious. Everton are perfectly entitled to use the rules to defend themselves. But in doing so knew that one of the inevitable consequences if they then failed 22/23 (which they should have known was going to happen based on forecasts) was 2 hits in one season. So no idea why that is a weird take. The best lawyers have to look at both the legal side and the commercial and consequential impact - no point in being idealistic. Indeed, this has been one of my big criticisms of the PL's lawyers approach to City.

And to be clear, the 22/23 issues for Everton are both self inflicted and admitted with an expedited timetable voted for by the teams themselves.
 
projectriver said:
I am serious. Everton are perfectly entitled to use the rules to defend themselves. But in doing so knew that one of the inevitable consequences if they then failed 22/23 (which they should have known was going to happen based on forecasts) was 2 hits in one season. So no idea why that is a weird take. The best lawyers have to look at both the legal side and the commercial and consequential impact - no point in being idealistic. Indeed, this has been one of my big criticisms of the PL's lawyers approach to City.

And to be clear, the 22/23 issues for Everton are both self inflicted and admitted with an expedited timetable voted for by the teams themselves.
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Fair enough. Their case wasn't particularly strong, but I don't suppose they were expecting a points deduction, let alone two. And in the unlikely event they were, don't forget even a six point deduction would have sent them down last season.

It's entirely possible I may be off the mark here, but were you expecting a points deduction for them this time last year?

Edit: Completely take your point re the City case.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough. Their case wasn't particularly strong, but I don't suppose they were expecting a points deduction, let alone two. And in the unlikely event they were, don't forget even a six point deduction would have sent them down last season.

It's entirely possible I may be off the mark here, but were you expecting a points deduction for them this time last year?

Edit: Completely take your point re the City case.
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I said in August the big unknown in the whole PSR thing was the points sanction possibility. It was always possible, Everton even expected it, PL asked for 12 points, all EFL cases have had points, sporting advantage was always established in the authorities etc etc. So I don't think it was a huge shock but, of course, 10 was harsh.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
But have also potentially gambled some of their future on it. That's the risk they take - which makes the equation fair and should balance things out.
The same with business and life.
Unless you want to try to subvert natural forces in pursuit of an agenda...
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Yes I agree but the question I was responding too asked why it is claimed by breaking psr a competitive advantage was gained by Everton and forest. I was just explaining why a club failing psr could be seen to give a competitive advantage over its competitors.
 
Bloominmarvellous said:
Yes I agree but the question I was responding too asked why it is claimed by breaking psr a competitive advantage was gained by Everton and forest. I was just explaining why a club failing psr could be seen to give a competitive advantage over its competitors.
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Here is another thought. If a club has to sell players in a hurry to meet FFP, isn't the buying club getting a sporting advantage by getting a player on the cheap, dare I say for less than fair market value? And they are clearly associated through their business connection in the PL. For that matter, every single transfer between PL clubs should be reviewed and adjusted to fair market value. Oh, what a tangled web the PL is weaving ...... :)
 
halfcenturyup said:
Here is another thought. If a club has to sell players in a hurry to meet FFP, isn't the buying club getting a sporting advantage by getting a player on the cheap, dare I say for less than fair market value? And they are clearly associated through their business connection in the PL. For that matter, every single transfer between PL clubs should be reviewed and adjusted to fair market value. Oh, what a tangled web the PL is weaving ...... :)
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This could actually work massively in our favour. When those numpties at the PL realise this, they will undoubtedly try to change the rules again. Just another thought...
 
thats is why 2 deductions one season is a rubbish thing.

in theory whatever they got the 10 points deduction (6 after appeal) was for 3 season leading up to 21/22. that would have been same sized deduction last season, which would have resulted relegation for them and staying up for Leicester.

while other lawsuits from other clubs would make hilarious complicated legal drama and saga I kind of wish it upon the PL to find themselves in this spider web, clubs making legal claim vs each other, for example the best relegated club last season Leicester suing Everton as this 6 points deduction last season would have meant staying in PL = another 100m+ revenue etc.
 
Bloominmarvellous said:
I guess the idea is if one team doesn't buy a new striker (as an example) to keep within psr and one breaks psr to buy a new striker that team have an advantage in squad size or quality and can better rotate or cover injuries. Thus have gained a competitive advantage by spending more.
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But what if

A) said new striker turns out to be shit and hardly score

B) said striker gets injured after 2 games and doesn’t feature again

C) said striker gets a few red cards and misses loads of games through suspension

It’s not as simple as a+b=c.
 
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Bloominmarvellous said:
I guess the idea is if one team doesn't buy a new striker (as an example) to keep within psr and one breaks psr to buy a new striker that team have an advantage in squad size or quality and can better rotate or cover injuries. Thus have gained a competitive advantage by spending more
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How can any club have a competitive advantage when there's teams in the league that spend more than them.

If Everton have a competitive advantage, so does City, Liverpool, rags, Arsenal etc.

Teams with a competitive advantage have been a thing for over a century.
 
projectriver said:
I am serious. Everton are perfectly entitled to use the rules to defend themselves. But in doing so knew that one of the inevitable consequences if they then failed 22/23 (which they should have known was going to happen based on forecasts) was 2 hits in one season. So no idea why that is a weird take. The best lawyers have to look at both the legal side and the commercial and consequential impact - no point in being idealistic. Indeed, this has been one of my big criticisms of the PL's lawyers approach to City.

And to be clear, the 22/23 issues for Everton are both self inflicted and admitted with an expedited timetable voted for by the teams themselves.
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How many points do you think Everton will be deducted for the second offence?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Because our password was “I8rags123”.
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When I was in the army, I once worked for a rag who was the Yeoman of Signals of our unit, so we dealt with sensitive and classified stuff. He stupidly asked me to password protect some classified files, so of course, I used “CITYTILIDIE” CITYFORTHECUP” and others. He was less than impressed, especially as he couldn’t change them as I had set them, with only me having permission to change them!!
 
Delboy352 said:
When I was in the army, I once worked for a rag who was the Yeoman of Signals of our unit, so we dealt with sensitive and classified stuff. He stupidly asked me to password protect some classified files, so of course, I used “CITYTILIDIE” CITYFORTHECUP” and others. He was less than impressed, especially as he couldn’t change them as I had set them, with only me having permission to change them!!
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It's the little victories that matter just as much as the big ones :)
 
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