VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

This whole Forest thing is heating up. Forest angry with PGMOL, Neville (!) angry with Forest, Forest writing to Sky threatening to sue, Clattenburg writing his DM column, PGMOL angry with Clattenburg (and he knows where plenty of bodies are buried) ....

Time for the PL to show their impressive skills of negotiation and reconciliation. Any chance, does anyone think?

Is this the same thing as a sledgehammer?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The first paragraph is spot on and dangerous. See below article on an incident in rugby recently. The TMO had seen an incident and dismissed it but the commentator on TV suggested it was foul play. The TMO and the TV commentators then had a discussion about the incident and when TNT then showed it again on TV the TMO was fuming because it made it look like he hadn't taken action.

If the commentators are influencing what is or isn't shown on replay then the VAR is in trouble. Sometimes I see incidents I think look like a pen, and I'm shocked to hear how quickly they're dismissed. You never get a replay of them. That's potentially all part of an agenda. You have to trust that the officials are seeing everything and making a call on every decision regardless of the commentators and TV coverage, but they'll definitely be influenced by it.

RFU backs TMO after TV commentary âdistractedâ him during Farrell decision

The RFU insisted the TMO who appeared to ignore foul play on Saracens’ Owen Farrell was not influenced by the TV pundit Austin Healey spotting it first

www.theguardian.com

Remember the Aguero Reid elbow incident which was clearly seen by the Ref as he was looking straight at it. This was subsequently played on a loop by Sky Sports with Neville and co saying it should have been a red. And low and behold PMGOL suddenly announce that the ref didn't see it, and Aguero gets a red card 4 days later.

 

[meltonblue]

This is the crucial point. The tech is not accurate for a decision based on a few millimetres because of the frame speed. So these very marginal decisions can’t be trusted. The way VAR is used must take account of the margin of error.

It does though to be fair, that’s why the thicker lines are applied.

 

[mancboy]

Tbh I hope the PL twat forest and their owner. Iv seen the replays and they were nowhere near as bad (mistakes) as the headlines. But their owner Marinakis (how the fuck he ended up owning a PL club when all the moan about is City owners I don't know) but he's brought in clattenburg for exactly these headlines about 'ex ref says decisions were wrong".

It's more political bullshit And is something, again, that didn't happen as much, if at all, without VAR.

Ditch VAR. Ditch Marinakis. That guy is a criminal plain and simple.

aint nobody clean in the prem but for a long time they have muddled along under the threat of masd, it seems like a few of them are willing to burn the whole thing to the ground and take everyone down

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It does though to be fair, that’s why the thicker lines are applied.

Not when the lines are clearly not put in the correct place. IE over the top of Wan Bisakas foot. Is that just simple human error yet again?

 

[KentBlue]

All of us saw this coming, each and every single one of us, genuine football fans (not those plastic fickle rag/dipper followers who wouldn't know the UK on a map). The way the whole Sly set up has been consistently kow-towing to the redshirts it was inevitable that it would explode in their faces...eventually. And this is precisely what we are seeing here. The sport used to be for us, the supporters, but Sly hijacked it and turned into the fucking Super Bowl: razzamatazz and cheer-leaders, Hollywood style ticker-tape parades and all the rest of the showbiz bullshit.
Pgmol have been manipulating results so that their favourites will always be in and around the top six and in Cup Finals at Wembley for decades to come.

I began to get suspicious when that vile pisscan was at the rags and somehow or other every 50/50 decision benefitted the vermin. Ginger pig being applauded for two-footed lunges on opposition players, and the likes of Tyler and Andy Gray sniggering and saying things like "Paul's back. Good ol' Scholesy."
You'd see the Govan despot striding along the touchline, eager to launch an abusive tirade against an official because something hasn't gone his way, and Sly encouraging it all.


The focus right now is on the whole Forest thing, rightly so: but it's also conveniently covering up the fact that Coventry City were robbed of a cup final place in favour of the verminous rags.

 

[M18CTID]

Atwell is a Luton fan and isn't allowed to ref their games, this is why forest claim they asked for him to be removed from VAR duty

In that case, he should've been absolutely nowhere near that Forest match

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Remember the Aguero Reid elbow incident which was clearly seen by the Ref as he was looking straight at it. This was subsequently played on a loop by Sky Sports with Neville and co saying it should have been a red. And low and behold PMGOL suddenly announce that the ref didn't see it, and Aguero gets a red card 4 days later.

Right before the Derby IIRC.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

The tech is already available, hopefully everyone will be accept it like they have in UEFA competitions, the final decision and 3D render result it produces.

At least it takes it out of the hands of a VAR official telling tech guys what angle & frame and how many pixels across to line things up against.

It's certainly "better" (quicker) but what's the margin of error? If we don't know that then how do we know that it's ok to use?

 

[Stephen230]

In that case, he should've been absolutely nowhere near that Forest match

Forest didn’t ask for him to be removed from the match. There is a set procedure for clubs to express their concerns about appointments and Forest didn’t use it. Just as they didn’t on other occasions when Atwell has been involved in matches involving relegation threatened teams.

They were clearly waiting with their little Tweet for the right opportunity to fire it off. If the Everton game had passed without incident, it would still be in their draft Tweets, ready for another day.