New PL financial controls | Clubs agree squad spending cap 'in principle'

[sir baconface]

Do you always have to jump on other people? It’s bullying from behind a keyboard.

 

[cookster]

City have voted against it. They obviously disagree with you too. Or are they wrong?

Of course they're wrong @domalino has spoken.

 

[domalino]

Of course they're wrong @domalino has spoken.

I didn’t expect you to be posting in support of increasing season ticket prices!

After all the club decided to do it, and you’re so certain they can’t be wrong about anything ever.


Or maybe…The idea the club is faultless and never makes a wrong decision is really childish and frankly, stupid. City are a club like every other, voting for their shareholders benefit.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Fully agree.

Yep, it's obviously a case of the other clubs trying to drag City down to their level.

 

[cookster]

Do you always have to jump on other people? It’s bullying from behind a keyboard.

Small cock syndrome is cured by a keyboard or so some people think.

 

[cookster]

I didn’t expect you to be posting in support of increasing season ticket prices!

After all the club decided to do it, and you’re so certain they can’t be wrong about anything ever.

Unlike you, they're not always right.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Also you say the main issue is the rules keep changing but they haven’t changed for 10 years.

Actually, the main issue hasn't been addressed and likely never will be. The main issue isn't us spending 10 times as much as Brighton or Crystal Palace, the issue is us having 10 times as much to spend in the first place. The massively unequal distribution of money in football is the root cause of all of these problems in every league in Europe, but there's absolutely no desire to deal with that, so we end up with these sticking plasters that make it look like we're doing something while making sure that the big clubs can indefinitely maintain their position.

La Liga have had 3 winners in 20 years at this point. The Bundesliga has had the same team win over half of the titles ever, and yet half of those wins have been since the turn of the century. Football has become less and less competitive and the direction of travel has been entirely one-way. We've got another new competition exclusively for the top clubs next year. What effect will that have on domestic competitions when €2.5bn are distributed to only the best teams (and Chelsea)? They're handing more and more money to the top clubs and then we're telling them they can't spend it. They could have given each club a modest fee and prize money and then distributed the rest of the money through the pyramid, but none of the top clubs would have taken the competition seriously, because greed rules the roost.

 

[blueparsman]

I thought it was looking at 85 per cent of your income was max you could spend but they said it would be 5 x max of bottom income club. So if we earned 700 mill we would be 595 mil allowance but wud be restricted to say 5 x 105 mil which be 525 mil.
obv relative to all clubs. which would close the spending gap making it slightly more competetive

 

[At-Swim-Two-Birds]

? Everyone is quoting lowest PL broadcast income as the anchor, 4.5 or 5 times? Or have I missed something?

Could change I suppose.

It's just speculation at the moment. Nobody knows. Is it player wages plus net spend? Is transfer spend amortised?

Deloitte have 2022/23 wages as follows:

• City - c. 475m euros
• United - c.400m euros
• Liverpool - c.425m euros
• Chelsea - c.475m euros
• Arsenal - c.275m euros

Arsenal clear advantage but then their net spend was higher.

 

[Gorbachev]

The Glazers are the ones who get to vote, they’re the controlling party.

The fact Newcastle voted for this and Chelsea and United voted against should be enough to show this isn’t a topic that’s being split down American/Middle East grounds.

All clubs do vote for their own interest, but this has 17/19 clubs voting together so clearly teams from all different financial backgrounds support it.

Glazers are there now just for the dividend. Ratcliffe is in charge of all sporting decisions I believe, all the new guys are his appointments. The players will be as well.

Ratcliffe looks a guy who actually has his head screwed on.

Glazers would have voted for it, I think that would be for sure.

I think Newcastle are thinking they are being clever by hampering the top sides and as a result giving them time and help to "catch-up".

The Chelsea board are under so much heat and scrutiny at moment, I can see why they abstained from the vote.

 

[Sir peace frog]

imo city are the best run club in the country, if we are against it we must have a very good reason to vote against it,i see only one or two think its a good idea, one is one you would expect to go against the flow, because that's what he does, , however i would love to hear from our club as to why they are against it,what is it they see that would hamper us, rather than just see we voted against it

 

[domalino]

? Everyone is quoting lowest PL broadcast income as the anchor, 4.5 or 5 times? Or have I missed something?

Could change I suppose.

It’s provisionally 6x according to the times, who had the exclusive, some clubs want it lower to either 4.5x or 5x. It’s all TBD and will be voted on again in June.

 

[Norbert D]

After the shitty way the club has treated us fans in recent years I couldn’t give a fuck.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Strikes me that were in the clear with the 115 and this is the next hurdle to jump over.

 

[domalino]

Actually, the main issue hasn't been addressed and likely never will be. The main issue isn't us spending 10 times as much as Brighton or Crystal Palace, the issue is us having 10 times as much to spend in the first place.

Oh my god this is literally addressing that!

The only way for the top clubs to spend more is to grow the revenue of the whole league so Brighton and Palace have more money, decreasing the resource gap.

Football has become less and less competitive and the direction of travel has been entirely one-way.

Gee, if only someone had a way of making sure the top clubs spending stopped accelerating away from the bottom clubs and making the sport less competitive?

Maybe by…tethering one to the other?



This rule is doing exactly what you claim to want to happen. It even addresses the CWC problem.

 

[Gorbachev]

Actually, the main issue hasn't been addressed and likely never will be. The main issue isn't us spending 10 times as much as Brighton or Crystal Palace, the issue is us having 10 times as much to spend in the first place. The massively unequal distribution of money in football is the root cause of all of these problems in every league in Europe, but there's absolutely no desire to deal with that, so we end up with these sticking plasters that make it look like we're doing something while making sure that the big clubs can indefinitely maintain their position.

La Liga have had 3 winners in 20 years at this point. The Bundesliga has had the same team win over half of the titles ever, and yet half of those wins have been since the turn of the century. Football has become less and less competitive and the direction of travel has been entirely one-way. We've got another new competition exclusively for the top clubs next year. What effect will that have on domestic competitions when €2.5bn are distributed to only the best teams (and Chelsea)? They're handing more and more money to the top clubs and then we're telling them they can't spend it. They could have given each club a modest fee and prize money and then distributed the rest of the money through the pyramid, but none of the top clubs would have taken the competition seriously, because greed rules the roost.

What many don't recognise in the PL is that from the 16 years going from 92 to 08 when we were bought out, there was 4 different league winners, since our buyout there have been 5 different winners in the 16 years since 08, there could be 6 if Arsenal win it.

There is nothing wrong with the competitiveness in the PL. We are on dynasty mode at the moment like United was in the 90s, but it won't last forever. I am pretty sure when Pep leaves there will be a slump.

Why all of a sudden are all these laws being put in place because fans of other leagues think there is not competition anymore?

 

[Semper aggressus]

Shit idea. Needs fucking off before it begins.

Not our fault if Sheffield Utd and Burnley are shit, or Chelsea poorly run. You reap what you so, they need to man up and deal with it, fucking whinging set of cunts.

We need to go out and spend £500m on young star players in summer before all these shit arbitrary rules can come into force.

 

[ancoats]

Strikes me that were in the clear with the 115 and this is the next hurdle to jump over.

This new rule will not stop Manchester City from being a top club, In fact, it will boost the club's profits to put back into the club like youth football and the ground

 

[waspish]

The Glazers are the ones who get to vote, they’re the controlling party.

The fact Newcastle voted for this and Chelsea and United voted against should be enough to show this isn’t a topic that’s being split down American/Middle East grounds.

All clubs do vote for their own interest, but this has 17/19 clubs voting together so clearly teams from all different financial backgrounds support it.

Don't you think with our club voting against it tells you it not right? They have been right all along! Maybe go back to no restrictions? What we had for 150 years. If clubs can't budget sensibly so be it!

Do you really think if there was no restrictions we would go out and spend 500m in a summer? Everything about our club is it to be run right..

 

[domalino]

Unlike you, they're not always right.

Thanks, im glad you agree with me for once.