VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Stephen230]

That's what they said before it was introduced.

I mean it’s ok repeating that ‘they’ said it. But who exactly are they?

It’s not something I recall being promised. There’s an old rule that well predates VAR that clubs mustn’t show anything that might be considered controversial on their big screens. I assume that rule is still in place. And it would preclude showing questionable VAR decisions for sure.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Webb tells Forest they should have had one penalty.

 

[stonerblue]

They do it in American football and it’s good, everyone knows what’s going on and why.

Have you seen American football? They could read out the bible and it wouldn't affect playing time..

 

[bluenova]

I mean it’s ok repeating that ‘they’ said it. But who exactly are they?

It’s not something I recall being promised. There’s an old rule that well predates VAR that clubs mustn’t show anything that might be considered controversial on their big screens. I assume that rule is still in place. And it would preclude showing questionable VAR decisions for sure.

I was thinking of that on Sunday, because Forest had the match playing live on their screens, so everything would be shown.

 

[kaz7]

You can't seriously believe there's a concerted plan to make decisions unfairly against City? That's bonkers if true, although every fan forum seems to think their side is being victimised.

Funny that fans always remember the decisions that go against them but never the ones in their favour.

Absolutely no way are there any signs that City are being singled out for harsh treatment. There have been some poor decisions for sure (Dippers at Etihad for one) but also some that went the other way (Dippers at Anfield), pretty much the whole Brighton match. I reckon it evens out for the top sides as they create so many chances and maybe doesn't even out for the bottom sides as they create much fewer chances so poor decisions may unduly skew the numbers.

If City are being victimised then so are Forest, Wolves, Dippers, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton.

What would be the point anyway of doing it?

Bollocks , dont preach to us , we have lived with pigmol for long enough to form an opinion

 

[halfcenturyup]

:D IFAB is against it so they can't do it.

IFAB are against micro-analysing offsides. The IFAB protocol even talks about clear and obvious for offsides yet here we are with mm calls ruining the game and a multi-million pound investment in the micro-technology to micro-do it.

Let's be honest. PGMOL don't want to do broadcast the conversations, and we all know why.

 

[Stephen230]

I was thinking of that on Sunday, because Forest had the match playing live on their screens, so everything would be shown.

Quite a few teams show live pictures. I’m assuming they don’t show any replays if it’s possibly a controversial incident. Although I’m that observant I can’t pretend that I’ve ever actually noticed.

 

[bridgeno1]

Bollocks , dont preach to us , we have lived with pigmol for long enough to form an opinion

Ok, so PGMOL are against City as well as being simultaneously against the other PL teams at the same time.

Schrodingers corruption.

 

[Kamaro011]

Ok, so PGMOL are against City as well as being simultaneously against the other PL teams at the same time.

Schrodingers corruption.

PGMOL are just imcompetent in general regardless the club.

 

[bluenova]

Quite a few teams show live pictures. I’m assuming they don’t show any replays if it’s possibly a controversial incident. Although I’m that observant I can’t pretend that I’ve ever actually noticed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the replay rule is still true. I think I noticed Forest's screen as it's really low down, so it was often visible on TV.

 

[kaz7]

Ok, so PGMOL are against City as well as being simultaneously against the other PL teams at the same time.

Schrodingers corruption.

Why do you care enough about us to dispute what is said when you cant possibly watch all of our games . Pep and the players feel the same by the way, stick to your arses

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

This in my view should be a seminal moment in the VAR saga. These two are getting very close to all but calling for VAR's removal. And to Simon's credit he's nearly done a complete 180 on his assessment of VAR. In the early days he was staunchly pro-VAR but he admits here that he's starting to see how problematic this is, particularly in the stadium.



But he explains, quite rightly that this is not the way football is supposed to be adjudicated, and that's the main point that needs to be brought to the forefront. It's absolutely mad that you have a group of people in a studio determining outcomes of matches in real-time.

Towards the end of the segment, Simon talks about something incredibly important, and it means more coming from him who clearly could not see these problems in the early days of VAR, and really until recently, when he talks about how the football powers that be are unwilling to admit that sport and human beings are imperfect. He stresses the need to "get on with it", as in don't over think it, don't put hurdles in the way of how this is supposed to work. Don't stop football from functioning normally anymore.

Although these two are getting close and closer to all but calling for VAR to be sacked, they still aren't quite there, but they're close. And I think this reluctance to "go all the way" despite him clearly seeing how problematic this is is the biggest challenge we face.

We all collectively need to break free from this mental barrier when it comes to VAR. understanding that were done with it and we no longer can even entertain further attempts to try to make this work. It has to go, it's run its course. Football has been harmed greatly from it and there needs to be an urgency to get this out.

It is never going to work, VAR is always going to be a nuisance no matter how it changes. The only way to bring us back to normal football is to end this failed experiment and actually take the steps to return us to the classic Beautiful game that we care about. There's no excuse at this point in the offseason for steps not to be taken to have this removed from the sport. And it has to start somewhere. The Premier League can make a stand and make it very clear that VAR has no place in football and that it must be taken out, firmly and with confidence in the desire of the sport being restored to its natural state, how its supposed to work, for the benefit of all.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

This in my view should be a seminal moment in the VAR saga. These two are getting very close to all but calling for VAR's removal. And to Simon's credit he's nearly done a complete 180 on his assessment of VAR. In the early days he was staunchly pro-VAR but he admits here that he's starting to see how problematic this is, particularly in the stadium.



But he explains, quite rightly that this is not the way football is supposed to be adjudicated, and that's the main point that needs to be brought to the forefront. It's absolutely mad that you have a group of people in a studio determining outcomes of matches in real-time.

Towards the end of the segment, Simon talks about something incredibly important, and it means more coming from him who clearly could not see these problems in the early days of VAR, and really until recently, when he talks about how the football powers that be are unwilling to admit that sport and human beings are imperfect. He stresses the need to "get on with it", as in don't over think it, don't put hurdles in the way of how this is supposed to work. Don't stop football from functioning normally anymore.

Although these two are getting close and closer to all but calling for VAR to be sacked, they still aren't quite there, but they're close. And I think this reluctance to "go all the way" despite him clearly seeing how problematic this is is the biggest challenge we face.

We all collectively need to break free from this mental barrier when it comes to VAR. understanding that were done with it and we no longer can even entertain further attempts to try to make this work. It has to go, it's run its course. Football has been harmed greatly from it and there needs to be an urgency to get this out.

It is never going to work, VAR is always going to be a nuisance no matter how it changes. The only way to bring us back to normal football is to end this failed experiment and actually take the steps to return us to the classic Beautiful game that we care about. There's no excuse at this point in the offseason for steps not to be taken to have this removed from the sport. And it has to start somewhere. The Premier League can make a stand and make it very clear that VAR has no place in football and that it must be taken out, firmly and with confidence in the desire of the sport being restored to its natural state, how its supposed to work, for the benefit of all.

VAR isn't the problem, it's the idiots running it.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

VAR isn't the problem, it's the idiots running it.

There would be no "idiots running it" if it weren't for VAR.

VAR is the idiots running it. You cannot separate the two. They are one in the same.

We need to remove it so that idiots can't run something like this that shouldn't exist in the first place!

 

[stonerblue]

This in my view should be a seminal moment in the VAR saga. These two are getting very close to all but calling for VAR's removal. And to Simon's credit he's nearly done a complete 180 on his assessment of VAR. In the early days he was staunchly pro-VAR but he admits here that he's starting to see how problematic this is, particularly in the stadium.



But he explains, quite rightly that this is not the way football is supposed to be adjudicated, and that's the main point that needs to be brought to the forefront. It's absolutely mad that you have a group of people in a studio determining outcomes of matches in real-time.

Towards the end of the segment, Simon talks about something incredibly important, and it means more coming from him who clearly could not see these problems in the early days of VAR, and really until recently, when he talks about how the football powers that be are unwilling to admit that sport and human beings are imperfect. He stresses the need to "get on with it", as in don't over think it, don't put hurdles in the way of how this is supposed to work. Don't stop football from functioning normally anymore.

Although these two are getting close and closer to all but calling for VAR to be sacked, they still aren't quite there, but they're close. And I think this reluctance to "go all the way" despite him clearly seeing how problematic this is is the biggest challenge we face.

We all collectively need to break free from this mental barrier when it comes to VAR. understanding that were done with it and we no longer can even entertain further attempts to try to make this work. It has to go, it's run its course. Football has been harmed greatly from it and there needs to be an urgency to get this out.

It is never going to work, VAR is always going to be a nuisance no matter how it changes. The only way to bring us back to normal football is to end this failed experiment and actually take the steps to return us to the classic Beautiful game that we care about. There's no excuse at this point in the offseason for steps not to be taken to have this removed from the sport. And it has to start somewhere. The Premier League can make a stand and make it very clear that VAR has no place in football and that it must be taken out, firmly and with confidence in the desire of the sport being restored to its natural state, how its supposed to work, for the benefit of all.

I've been saying that since before it came in.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

I've been saying that since before it came in.

Good on you. I was opposed to it from the beginning as well.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

There would be no "idiots running it" if it weren't for VAR.

VAR is the idiots running it. You cannot separate the two. They are one in the same.

We need to remove it so that idiots can't run something like this that shouldn't exist in the first place!

It isn't going away so maybe pray for competent people using it.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Bless the Swedes.

Explained: Why have Sweden's top football divisions rejected VAR

Allsvenskan, Sweden’s top tier, is the only league among UEFA’s top 30 divisions to reject VAR.

www.firstpost.com

AIK’s supporters hold a banner against VAR during the Allsvenskan match against Västerås SF FK at the Friends Arena in Stockholm. AP “VAR is a symbol of modern, commercialized-to-the-point-of-destruction football,” says Ola Thews, vice-chairman of AIK’s largest supporter organisation, ASK.

Amen.

Thews has been crucial in mobilising the anti-VAR sentiment among Sweden’s top clubs. They helped push through a motion at AIK opposing the introduction of VAR.

It has been made possible because Swedish clubs are majority-controlled by fans under a regulation that states members should control at least 50% of their club’s shares, plus one.

VAR “ruins the euphoria” that football can bring, believes Thews. “The absolute happiness and passion, or grief and sadness, that comes from a goal being conceded or a goal being scored if you’re not sure what has happened until it has been reviewed and decided in a VAR room.”

Thews doesn’t mind. “I think anything where you have actual real-life humans participating is going to be imperfect,” he said. “That’s the beauty of it.”

Bersant Celina, a midfielder for AIK, agrees. “It’s the proper football way. It’s pure,” Celina told the AP. “Referees are also part of the game and they can make mistakes.”

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

VAR clearly and abundantly goes against the will of the fans, not just in Britain but throughout the entire world. It's just that it's being pushed down the throats from the top, this all started with the FIFA President.

Sweden rejects VAR – it’s time for a PROPER debate in Scotland - Scottish Football Supporters Association - SFSA

The biggest single objection to VAR (amongst many others) is that it sucks the joy from the game by removing the single biggest reason we attend matches, namely to get to our feet to celebrate a goal. Now, we have to wait, often for minutes, for a decision – moreover, a decision about which we...

scottishfsa.org

The SFSA is told, as are all fans, that we can’t go back? Why not? As the late, great football commentator Bob Crampsey sagely noted, “if you’re on the wrong bus you don’t wait till it gets to the terminus before you get off.” Yes, there is a problem in that much of the media love VAR for the controversy it creates. Referees too tell us they need it to get European games. Yet I know many refs have doubts about it too, although they can’t voice these publicly, while the argument that it gets them European matches seems to have been debunked by the fact that not one Scottish referee has been chosen to officiate at the Euros. To shoot that particular fox even more squarely between the eyes, I merely note that Glenn Nyberg of Sweden has been chosen to officiate in Germany this summer. If he can do this from a country without VAR, why can’t our officials?

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It isn't going away so maybe pray for competent people using it.

It has to go. It was rejected in Sweden. The Scots are having deep regrets about its introduction. We simply cannot continue twiddling our thumbs every year and kicking the can down the road in regards to trying new ways to beat a dead horse.

We need to come the realization that it's run its course, we're done with this failed albatross of a campaign to give remote elites real-time control of the outcomes of matches. Its illegitimate at its core and it needs to be removed, swiftly and thoroughly.