VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[ShaunMCFC]

Of course but refs are human and make mistakes. Say 1 in every 10 or so penalty decisions is a howler. So if as a team you create 20 more chances to get a pen than another team then you'd on balance get another 2 pens. You'll also statistically get more going the other way too where the ref doesn't award them and that's a howler too. So probably evens out over a season.

I’m fine with pens being given, as long as they are pens. I hate the idea of ‘creating chances’ to get a pen, you’re creating chances to score a goal? The idea that you’re going to keep diving and eventually one of them will stick winds me up, that’s where we’re at.

 

[bridgeno1]

I’m fine with pens being given, as long as they are pens. I hate the idea of ‘creating chances’ to get a pen, you’re creating chances to score a goal? The idea that you’re going to keep diving and eventually one of them will stick winds me up, that’s where we’re at.

Yep fair enough, it is manipulation (ergo cheating) even if it is very common.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I’ll be consistent for @bridgeno1, Arsenals wasn’t a pen and neither was that we’ve just got. Standard of refereeing in this country is very poor, it’s killing the game

Yet that one on Haaland deffo was, ref wouldn’t of given it and VAR ensured it was the right decision.

 

[kaz7]

Yet that one on Haaland deffo was, ref wouldn’t of given it and VAR ensured it was the right decision.

Did you see var given the dive pen for the arses? You said var had stopped diving , clearly not , lol

 

[stonerblue]

Never a pen for City's first.

 

[Gordyola]

The first City pen was no different than the one that the Altrincham fan gave to Arse last season against Eddy where was Ian Wright on MoTD saying that was the worse penalty I’ve ever seen given?

 

[ganganvince]

VAR question I know they can only recommend a red or nothing but if a challenge went in and ref gave nothing VAR send him to screen as poss red he doesn't believe it's a red but now thinks yellow can he give a yellow on the basis of what he has viewed?

 

[Stephen230]

VAR question I know they can only recommend a red or nothing but if a challenge went in and ref gave nothing VAR send him to screen as poss red he doesn't believe it's a red but now thinks yellow can he give a yellow on the basis of what he has viewed?

Yes, once the referee has gone to the screen, all options are back on the table.

It’s one of the anomalies of VAR. Take the possible Grealish penalty in the semi final last week. The referee gave a goal kick, so once the VAR has decided not to recommend a review, they have to stick with the goal kick, even though they both know it should be a corner by that point.

But if the VAR had recommended a review and the referee had decided to stick with his no penalty call, he can then change the restart from a goal kick to a corner.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Dermot the apologist says Bournemouth goal.

Bit late.

 

[manimanc]

Dermot the apologist says Bournemouth goal.

Bit late.

Didn't he say that that the Arsenal pen wasn't a pen?

Doesn't surprise you does it.

That disallowed goal was a complete farce. Two blatant fouls on Bournemouth players and never a foul on the keeper.

But the Premier League want last day drama, I expect a barrage of iffy decisions in the rags/Arsenal and spurs/us games.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They do it in American football and it’s good, everyone knows what’s going on and why.

 

[Gordyola]

VAR question I know they can only recommend a red or nothing but if a challenge went in and ref gave nothing VAR send him to screen as poss red he doesn't believe it's a red but now thinks yellow can he give a yellow on the basis of what he has viewed?

No

 

[Stephen230]

Baby steps I suppose. But doesn’t really offer much, other than a slightly longer delay.

They only use it so far on the rare occasion they overturn an onfiejd decision. So as soon as the referee is obviously about to do a speech, the crowd know he’s overturning the decision and often drown out what he’s saying with cheers/ boos anyway.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Glad VAR was there tonight in the Real-Bayern match to ensure the referee didn’t make any major, match-defining errors…

 

[SebastianBlue]

Glad VAR was there tonight in the Real-Bayern match to ensure the referee didn’t make any major, match-defining errors…

The Referee Consultant on Paramount+, who they bring in to explain incidents and decisions, and usually defend the officials, has just said the assistant and the referee made clear mistakes for Bayern’s potential equaliser.

She was visibly unhappy about it, and said it is never a good night when she has to acknowledge such egregious errors that have such an immense impact on the game.

 

[Stephen230]

The Referee Consultant on Paramount+, who they bring in to explain incidents and decisions, and usually defend the officials, has just said the assistant and the referee made clear mistakes for Bayern’s potential equaliser.

She was visibly unhappy about it, and said it is never a good night when she has to acknowledge such egregious errors that have such an immense impact on the game.

Not seen it. The Polish guy was the referee who did the World Cup and Champions League Finals last year, wasn’t he?

Normally a very good referee

 

[SebastianBlue]

Not seen it. The Polish guy was the referee who did the World Cup and Champions League Finals last year, wasn’t he?

Normally a very good referee

I actually commented prior to the match that I thought he was currently the best referee in Europe.

But that series of mistakes at the end really calls in to question the integrity of their officiating.

I personally put it mostly on the referee, not the assistant, because he should have ignored the flag until the chance had resolved, as he did with what ended up being Real Madrid’s winner, which was initially disallowed for offside (the flag had gone up well before Rudiger had put the ball in for Joselu’s tap in), before VAR intervened to review the offside and then give the goal.

That passage of play and officiating compared to the would-be Bayern late equaliser is very suspect, especially as the referee whistle just as the ball fell to De Ligt in an obviously advantaged position to shoot on goal (and he put in just after the whistle went).

You know it was bad when someone who despises Bayern is defending their grievances as legitimate.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Was there an issue tonight, did it affect the outcome the game?

 

[2bluejacko]

Was there an issue tonight, did it affect the outcome the game?

Oh yes, bent as fuck


And somebody check Neurs bank account over the next few weeks... Definitely getting paid for that howler

 

[inbetween]

The Referee Consultant on Paramount+, who they bring in to explain incidents and decisions, and usually defend the officials, has just said the assistant and the referee made clear mistakes for Bayern’s potential equaliser.

She was visibly unhappy about it, and said it is never a good night when she has to acknowledge such egregious errors that have such an immense impact on the game.

That Bayern onside was officiated as though VAR didn't exist and that's the only problem I see. It definitely wouldn't have stood without VAR so not being able to bring VAR in to spot the error is the error.

The linesman thought it was offside so he had to raise his flag however the ref was too trigger happy in stopping play. Unless it's clear and obvious then the benefit should always be given to the attacker because VAR can sort everything afterwards.

I think it was fair anyway because had the linesman spotted it as onside then I think Madrid would of defended it because they stopped playing as soon as the whistle blew.