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FogBlueInSanFran said:
A “majority” or a reasonable facsimile thereof do understand and do give a fuck which is why Trump isn’t President anymore.
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Recent polls in swing states suggest that reasonable facsimile is ebbing away in an alarming fashion. I for sure hope they're way off the mark because my only hope would be that shitgibbon gets locked up or preferably popped
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
A “majority” or a reasonable facsimile thereof do understand and do give a fuck which is why Trump isn’t President anymore.
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In terms of overall popular support there's little doubt that Biden will win the popular vote. But that doesn't mean he'll be our next President.

I think that the intent of Tolmies' post is to highlight the fact that Trump - if not favorite to win election (he is favorite according to latest polls) - is at least extremely close; so close that the election is basically a coin flip either way.

The popular vote doesn't decide who our next President will be (thank you fucked up electoral college). It's likely down to a handful of voters in a handful of states; how this will ultimately play out is anyone's guess.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
In terms of overall popular support there's little doubt that Biden will win the popular vote. But that doesn't mean he'll be our next President.

I think that the intent of Tolmies' post is to highlight the fact that Trump - if not favorite to win election (he is favorite according to latest polls) - is at least extremely close; so close that the election is basically a coin flip either way.

The popular vote doesn't decide who our next President will be (thank you fucked up electoral college). It's likely down to a handful of voters in a handful of states; how this will ultimately play out is anyone's guess.
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I expect the democrats to invest heavily in those marginal states whereas the republicans will be spending what little funds they have on Trumps legal costs and Melania’s hair stylist. The latest poll shows a big leap in support for Biden in Wisconsin, a swing state par excellence. Quietly confident over here.
 
KS55 said:
I expect the democrats to invest heavily in those marginal states whereas the republicans will be spending what little funds they have on Trumps legal costs and Melania’s hair stylist. The latest poll shows a big leap in support for Biden in Wisconsin, a swing state par excellence. Quietly confident over here.
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I'm hopeful, but far from confident.

The outcome of the US Presidential election exhibits some of the elements of mathematical chaos: an extremely small change in initial conditions produces a huge change in outcome.

It may come down to strategy, tactics and leadership - in which case, Democrats will win quite easily. The Republican party is in complete disarray - meanwhile, Democratic leadership is, for example, seeking to place abortion initiatives on the ballots of swing states. But who knows...
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
In terms of overall popular support there's little doubt that Biden will win the popular vote. But that doesn't mean he'll be our next President.

I think that the intent of Tolmies' post is to highlight the fact that Trump - if not favorite to win election (he is favorite according to latest polls) - is at least extremely close; so close that the election is basically a coin flip either way.

The popular vote doesn't decide who our next President will be (thank you fucked up electoral college). It's likely down to a handful of voters in a handful of states; how this will ultimately play out is anyone's guess.
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That be an excellent reflection of intent if he hadn't said "majority of US voters" in his first post.

Otherwise I agree.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I'm hopeful, but far from confident.

The outcome of the US Presidential election exhibits some of the elements of mathematical chaos: an extremely small change in initial conditions produces a huge change in outcome.

It may come down to strategy, tactics and leadership - in which case, Democrats will win quite easily. The Republican party is in complete disarray - meanwhile, Democratic leadership is, for example, seeking to place abortion initiatives on the ballots of swing states. But who knows...
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Agree with this. It's a well run political machine vs a chaos agent who has zero regard for his own party.

If you look at Georgia, the dems should have no chance of winning there. Its deep bible belt territory. Biden won there because the dems played a great ground game. They maxed out in knocking doors and he took it by a fraction of a percent. They also forced run offs for the 2 Senate seats and Trump, mad that the States gop control were going to certify the Biden win, basically told his voters to stay home in the run off. Trump sabotaged his own party out of pure spite. He also shot himself in the foot as those 2x seats were enough to swing control.

It's pretty clear that Trump has zero interest in the gops grass roots. And the dems are forcing the abortion issue on to the ballots and will push hard to get every voter to turn out.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
@FogBlueInSanFran
Out of curiosity, do you still support the Electoral College as it now stands? If not,what changes would you make?
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I'm conflicted on this. I think there's an argument that the will of populous states should not necessarily dominate the will of less populous states. I believe over time the Electoral College will lock in a blue Presidency because of demographics and migration patterns to historically (meaning more recent history) red states. That said, the will of relatively few voters in close states should not have the ability to sway the vocal majority. I don't know enough about the by-state weightings to know if they're fair. I also think the bi-cameral legislation ensures some "voice balance" already so I am not sure the Presidential election needs to; e.g. we don't have an in-state, by-state Electoral College for Senate elections where counties get college votes within a state. Bottom line: I think it's probably antiquated. I don't think it's going to matter soon to those who support blues, which -- as I've said a million times -- is precisely the fear in the GOP has which has allowed if not encouraged such extremist politics when it comes to election denying. I also don't think it's changing.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
Agree with this. It's a well run political machine vs a chaos agent who has zero regard for his own party.

If you look at Georgia, the dems should have no chance of winning there. Its deep bible belt territory. Biden won there because the dems played a great ground game. They maxed out in knocking doors and he took it by a fraction of a percent. They also forced run offs for the 2 Senate seats and Trump, mad that the States gop control were going to certify the Biden win, basically told his voters to stay home in the run off. Trump sabotaged his own party out of pure spite. He also shot himself in the foot as those 2x seats were enough to swing control.

It's pretty clear that Trump has zero interest in the gops grass roots. And the dems are forcing the abortion issue on to the ballots and will push hard to get every voter to turn out.
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Yup. My optimism comes from exactly this. Where/how will Trump get the extra votes he needs? He just can’t do it, whatever nonsense the Maga supporters believe and vote for.
 
General question, noting the age of each candidate, what happens if the President croaks it, do you have to go again to another election or does the VP takeover while they find a new President within the party?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
General question, noting the age of each candidate, what happens if the President croaks it, do you have to go again to another election or does the VP takeover while they find a new President within the party?
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www.brookings.edu

What happens if a presidential candidate cannot take office due to death or incapacitation before January 2025? | Brookings

Senior Fellow Elaine Kamarck explains what happens if one or both of the leading presidential candidates is forced to exit the race.
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The Future’s Blue! said:
General question, noting the age of each candidate, what happens if the President croaks it, do you have to go again to another election or does the VP takeover while they find a new President within the party?
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If the President croaks it the VP takes over until the next election. See Lyndon Johnson
 
Gray said:
How this gigantic mega rich country can only find a crook and a geriatric pensioner to stand for their highest office is a complete mystery to me.
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Who do you suggest Americans should have chosen then?

Biden won nomination because he was the safe, centrist pick with tremendous experience against a fringe idiot lunatic racist megalomaniac running to enrich himself and protect himself from jail on the heels of a disastrous first term which saw millions die and our foreign enemies gain chutzpah and ground.

Every post that somehow makes them seem equivalent in some way is destructive to the chance of defeating evil.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Who do you suggest Americans should have chosen then?

Biden won nomination because he was the safe, centrist pick with tremendous experience against a fringe idiot lunatic racist megalomaniac running to enrich himself and protect himself from jail on the heels of a disastrous first term which saw millions die and our foreign enemies gain chutzpah and ground.

Every post that somehow makes them seem equivalent in some way is destructive to the chance of defeating evil.
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Is there nobody else?
 
Gray said:
Is there nobody else?
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Not right now, no. I am sure someone will emerge. Folks seem to think my Governor Gavin Newsom is next but I assure you everyone will be complaining about how “slippery” he is a few years from now, and he’s no kind of Everyman. Maybe Buttegieg but not sure if a gay man can win nationally, even now.
 
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