The Conservative Party

A little while ago I was working for a short while in Tanzania as a volunteer with four young students from Denmark. We got talking about taxes in general - no idea how it started; anyway they were saying that income taxes were very high but people were prepared to pay them for the benefits they receive. Can't remember most but it would appear that, at that time, education is free right up to Uni and that pensions were very generous as well. I am not sure what the standards are like now but it appeared that people accepted higher taxes because of the benefits to the whole country, especially in education.
 
BrianW said:
I'm sorry, but I fail to see anything in your argument that negates mine.

If you seriously want to cut immigration, you need a plan to achieve that end. At the moment, the issue is effectively left to the market, and what we have is the result of that.

The unemployed people who are 'already here' are rarely if ever fit to do the jobs we most need. Car washing and arse-wiping maybe. But what is your plan? Starve them to force them into these minimum wage jobs? You may just as easily starve them into crime. How many surgeons, doctors, nurses, dentists, engineers etc., do you imagine are on the dole? I suggest a handful at best and where they exist they have likely been struck off for valid reasons.

Increase the pay rate for arse-wiping to £18 an hour and you might, just might, get more natives to do the job. But then your Council Tax will go up, or your Income Tax, or both.

For the more 'professional' jobs we would need to train far more natives, and that will cost us. Again, up goes your Income Tax, or NI, or VAT. You probably will also need to increase the retirement age, as I said.

The problem with this country is that so many people will the ends, but not the means. In effect, they are in denial.
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We could cull pensioners. They don’t contribute to society anymore and cause all sorts of medical and care costs.

They tend to hate how the country is anyway, so attitudes would improve too and we’d have a 100% working economy barring the infirm and children.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
A little while ago I was working for a short while in Tanzania as a volunteer with four young students from Denmark. We got talking about taxes in general - no idea how it started; anyway they were saying that income taxes were very high but people were prepared to pay them for the benefits they receive. Can't remember most but it would appear that, at that time, education is free right up to Uni and that pensions were very generous as well. I am not sure what the standards are like now but it appeared that people accepted higher taxes because of the benefits to the whole country, especially in education.
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It’s amazing what you can afford if don’t have a nuclear sub force to fund and your navy consists of 13 ships, the biggest of which are 3 frigates.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
We could cull pensioners. They don’t contribute to society anymore and cause all sorts of medical and care costs.

They tend to hate how the country is anyway, so attitudes would improve too and we’d have a 100% working economy barring the infirm and children.
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Agree. I would add all 18 year old new drivers who drive around like Hamilton causing death and mayhem on our roads. The fewer of them the better.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Too expensive. Just use a backing track, just like the National Ballet.
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errr - those kids - the ones you referred to earlier. Some play the recorder or Ukulele ( sometimes not very well ) - can't they be gainfully employed/utilised as the proms orchestra and for the National ballet? Waste not want not !
 
bluethrunthru said:
errr - those kids - the ones you referred to earlier. Some play the recorder or Ukulele ( sometimes not very well ) - can't they be gainfully employed/utilised as the proms orchestra and for the National ballet? Waste not want not !
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They’d need someone to teach them to get better though. ;-)



I’ve never heard a school concert as good as this standard. :-)
 
metalblue said:
If I had I’d be grateful of receiving some coaching…. Wouldn’t you?
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Have you had any dealings with the companies that have the outsourced contract (or their subcontractors) or spoken to someone who has?

For the most part they aren't really coaches, they're salespeople. They are there to pressure sell and bully or manipulate the long term unemployed into getting off the caseload and just getting any old job. That doesn't mean people should just waste away on universal credit for the rest of their lives.

They should do the minimum to satisfy the DWP and get away with it and the maximum they can do for their own employment goals and aspirations. By doing the latter they are more likely to get stable employment and stay out of the revolving door of insecure employment and job centre plus.

What's the advice for someone who is struggling on 16hrs a week? Try and stand out positively in your company (or organisation) and apply for another role or go somewhere else. Maybe there's personal circumstances why someone hasn't already done that rather than being a lazy waster.
 
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