General Election - 4th July 2024

[Kirkstall Blue]

It’s on the yellow sticker Sunak has won, this is where the media has a large say in who wins the GE

 

[Worsleyweb]

It’s on the yellow sticker Sunak has won, this is where the media has a large say in who wins the GE

I tried to be fair and balanced and he clearly did? Yes come on here and everyone makes you think you are mad. Never changes!

 

[bluethrunthru]

watching Ed Davey on ITV now - getting sick of it tbh - I wouldn't expect Sunak to admit it but other leaders including Starmer should give interviews and say yeah we will restrict legal migration to I dunno say 100k, 50k, 200k but that means X number fewer nurses, X number fewer care sector recruits,X number fewer doctors, surgeons, scientists, X number fewer students with a commensurate reduction in the number of universities etc etc - just fucking make it clear what the anti-migrants want to happen to the UK although they are too thick to realise it.

 

[Blue and true]

It’s on the yellow sticker Sunak has won, this is where the media has a large say in who wins the GE

A yellow ticker running across a newsfeed is going to determine the election? I don't think the general public, who've had 14 years of seeing the Tories true colours, are that fickle.

Irrespective of who "won" tonight's debate; Sunak could deliver an oratory as inspiring as the Gettysburg Address between now and the 4th, and the Tories will still be wiped out.

 

[Don Karleone]

You gov poll must be pissed hey!

I thought that you'd like Starmer. As much as people will try to say differently, there is a rizla paper between them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’ve had loads of messages from various mates with widely differing views on the outcome of tonight. And their relative politics shone through in terms of their assessment of the performances. People see what they want to see.

And I’m no different.

 

[Worsleyweb]

watching Ed Davey on ITV now - getting sick of it tbh - I wouldn't expect Sunak to admit it but other leaders including Starmer should give interviews and say yeah we will restrict legal migration to I dunno say 100k, 50k, 200k but that means X number fewer nurses, X number fewer care sector recruits,X number fewer doctors, surgeons, scientists, X number fewer students with a commensurate reduction in the number of universities etc etc - just fucking make it clear what the anti-migrants want to happen to the UK although they are too thick to realise it.

It needs a radical re think. People are not having kids as they can’t afford them and can’t afford a home. Constant mass imitation is not the answer all the time. We have a huge shortage of houses and services. Not the time to debate it with you but next time I am in I will try to have a civil debate on it with you.

 

[bluethrunthru]

mass imitation is not the answer

I disagree - we need a Mike Yarwood - a - thon ha ha ha ha

 

[Worsleyweb]

I thought that you'd like Starmer. As much as people will try to say differently, there is a rizla paper between them.

Yes both not great

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It needs a radical re think. People are not having kids as they can’t afford them and can’t afford a home. Constant mass imitation is not the answer all the time. We have a huge shortage of houses and services. Not the time to debate it with you but next time I am in I will try to have a civil debate on it with you.

Our economy does have the feel of a Ponzi scheme.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I’ve had loads of messages from various mates with widely differing views on the outcome of tonight. And their relative politics shone through in terms of their assessment of the performances. People see what they want to see.

And I’m no different.

Would agree with you in principle - it is very subjective - but even at 51 / 49 the poll on the debate is wildly different from the polls of voting intentions.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

It’s on the yellow sticker Sunak has won, this is where the media has a large say in who wins the GE

They dont and wont

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Our economy does have the feel of a Ponzi scheme.

I thought there was a tangible feeling of things improving and then covid happened. Since then, prices have soared for everything and its gone unchecked. It is profiteering plain and simple and most of it from energy bills which is a total tear off. Everybody I know was owed hundreds of pounds back in overpayments, everyone. This shows how it was all allowed to spiral out of control unchecked. It should have been more robustly managed. They failed and someone else should have a go

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

There’s no way I’m voting Tory but I do find Starmer a frustrating watch.

Just way too much trying not to lose, rather than trying to win hearts and minds. I know that is probably all he needs to do, and it’s rational and sensible and yada yada… it’s just insipid and uninspiring watching him walk on eggshells. Just tell ‘em to get fucked, Keir. I guess this is why I’m not a politician.

Sunak, on the other hand, is a little sneering weasel-man and every word out of his mouth makes me want to kick puppies.

In terms of the “debating performance” agnostic of policy, I think it was pretty even but only because little weasel man wasn’t told to shut the fuck up more often so he just rode roughshod over the moderator. Then Starmer tried to do the same and she starts reminding him of the rules! YCMIU. Also 45 seconds is such a shit format, what were they thinking?

 

[west didsblue]

Not a good look for Sunak to keep repeating this £2000 Labour tax rise based on supposed plans when Sunak also said they didn’t have any. Also talking over both Etchingham and Starmer didn’t do him any favours.

Not a good look for Starmer to go on about his toolmaker dad - twice. Also this format didn’t seem to suit him when Sunak was allowed to get away with interrupting him all the time.

The whole thing just wound me up tbh.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Would agree with you in principle - it is very subjective - but even at 51 / 49 the poll on the debate is wildly different from the polls of voting intentions.

Yes, I was implicitly acknowledging that. No reason to doubt the veracity of the numbers.

 

[MCFC1993]

Not sure judging TV debates is the way to decide this election.

Should be a simple look back and say here was your manifesto from 2019, here is where you're at, why should we believe a word going forward.

 

[Streetsweeper]

These debates are a waste of photons. An hour isn’t enough to properly interrogate any of the policies in any depth, you might as well make them compete in an episode of it’s a knockout for all the actual value it has.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It’s pretty poor when comedians have better solutions than the actual government.

Isn’t that Labour’s policy?

 

[Worsleyweb]

Feels like there needs to be a more radical approach to dramatically improve the fortunes of the county and neither of the two main parties are currently inspiring.