General Election - 4th July 2024

[Vic]

Brexit has been an utter economic disaster as anyone sane knew it would be and the Tories absolutely do take responsibility for that - funnily enough they’re very quiet about BrBrexit.

I think you mean they ought to take responsibility, not that they absolutely do.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not much chat about the Yougov poll today, for some reason.

 

[Blue and true]

Did Covid not happen?

And the decade that preceded COVID? Do they get a free pass with those ten years?

 

[Blue and true]

Not saying Starmer is a Tory.

He allowed Sunak to get away with his lies. To get away with it was a combination of agility and Starmer's poor debating. Sunak didn't have to be very nimble to beat him, but number he was as well as a liar.

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[The blue phantom]

I'm not even keen on Labour but you really have to be a special sort of **** to keep defending the Tories, Even bigger **** if they are still getting your vote in 4 weeks.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Ooopsie. Using the exact same (dodgy) methodology the Tories used to come up with the ‘£2000 Labour tax rises’ figure the Tories’ published tax plans comes to……£3000 per household.

 

[Vic]

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

Amateur? It sounds like it was a professional hit job (or at least distraction while the con man tricks people)

 

[kaz7]

Did sunak really bring in saville later on in the debate ?

 

[Zabbasbeard]

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

Not sure the mediator was amateur. She knew what she was doing and was very quick to cut Starmer short but less so with Sunak. Starmer was still weak yet again in debating and instead of rebutting it straight away blathered on about the Tories. It shouldn't take 30 minutes to debunk their lie. It was poor even by Starmer's poor debating levels.

 

[west didsblue]

Ooopsie. Using the exact same (dodgy) methodology the Tories used to come up with the ‘£2000 Labour tax rises’ figure the Tories’ published tax plans comes to……£3000 per household.

And the Tories can’t even pretend it’s a hit job from a lefty publication.
Although it’s probably a hit job from a publication that’s about to jump to Reform!!

 

[metalblue]

Not much chat about the Yougov poll today, for some reason.

I posted about it earlier. Was interesting to read it read that 2019 Tory voters 85% said Sunak won the debate last night. Now it’s likely they would naturally be drawn to what Sunak said but given Labour need to attract a number of them that’s an interesting poll, albeit from a small sample.

I’d also say that anyone who is 20% ahead in the polls should be doing better than 49%. I don’t think Labour will be seeing this as any sort of victory. Starmer had a shocker last night - he couldn’t deal with Sunak’s £2k tax line. It’s taken today for Labour to get their tanks lined up and say it’s lies. That points to a man who can’t think on his feet. Not a great look.

Of course none of that means it will translate in to votes for either party. Need to see what opinion polls come out in the next week or so to see if it made a scrap of difference.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I posted about it earlier. Was interesting to read it read that 2019 Tory voters 85% said Sunak won the debate last night. Now it’s likely they would naturally be drawn to what Sunak said but given Labour need to attract a number of them that’s an interesting poll, albeit from a small sample.

I’d also say that anyone who is 20% ahead in the polls should be doing better than 49%. I don’t think Labour will be seeing this as any sort of victory. Starmer had a shocker last night - he couldn’t deal with Sunak’s £2k tax line. It’s taken today for Labour to get their tanks lined up and say it’s lies. That points to a man who can’t think on his feet. Not a great look.

Of course none of that means it will translate in to votes for either party. Need to see what opinion polls come out in the next week or so to see if it made a scrap of difference.

I largely agree. TV debates are mostly pointless unless one leader or the other does something extraordinary.

They already had the Civil Service letter (dated 3rd June), so either their in house communications aren’t great or it was a deliberate ploy to create this liar rhetoric today.

What’s stopping Starmer taking the letter to the final debate and saying “remember the last debate where Sunak was shown to be lying? You simply can’t trust anything that this man is about to say.”

 

[BlueHammer85]

Did sunak really bring in saville later on in the debate ?

No

 

[Don Karleone]

Hardly a surprise but Faiza Shaheen is standing as an independent.

 

[west didsblue]

Did sunak really bring in saville later on in the debate ?

Just a couple of Islamist terrorists that Starmer had as clients when he was a lawyer, with the clear implication that he sympathised with them.

 

[kaz7]

Just a couple of Islamist terrorists that Starmer had as clients when he was a lawyer, with the clear implication that he sympathised with them.

Ah thanks ,that is low and all sunak has left

 

[metalblue]

I largely agree. TV debates are mostly pointless unless one leader or the other does something extraordinary.

They already had the Civil Service letter (dated 3rd June), so either their in house communications aren’t great or it was a deliberate ploy to create this liar rhetoric today.

What’s stopping Starmer taking the letter to the final debate and saying “remember the last debate where Sunak was shown to be lying? You simply can’t trust anything that this man is about to say.”

I’m sure they’ll be able to spin it. I disagree it’s some master plan, Sunak said it 4 or 5 times before Starmer said it was rubbish. That was after a break in the debate so it’s quite possible one of his aides got in his ear and told him to bat it away. If it was some master plan he’d have not said owt at any stage.

Some of the answers he gave were a bit weird as well. Example his credentials on being trusted on security - that was always going to come up for Starmer given the leadership can’t agree on using nukes. His response…You can trust me because I’ve prosecuted someone in the past. The fuck has that got to do with the question.

He just didn’t seem all that well prepared. Nothing too damaging but was a bit strange.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Social media wanted Clinton, Corbyn, Remain… It got none of them.

Starmer was very poor last night. I think if Boris had replaced Cameron and then Sunak had replaced Boris then the election would be far closer. The Tories only have themselves to blame with the absolute disaster that was Liz Truss.

Labour will form the next government. Starmer will last for a short period and then either Burnham or Khan will replace him.

Clinton, Corbyn, Starmer, Cameron, Sukak, Truss, Burhnam, Khan..and…Boris.

Is he your mate, or something?

 

[bluethrunthru]