PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

To clear it up Maguire said on the Price of Football podcast

“I think they have raised some intriguing points in the 165 page document, which I had to read overnight. So thank you very much to Person X, who sent it to me, from our good friends in the media.”

From The Price of Football: Manchester City sue the Premier League, Watford sell shares to fans, 6 Jun 2024

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That's is verbatim from the Apple Podcast transcript of the show which you can read in the app
 
remember arthur mann said:
Bloke's a crackpot, should have been admitted to Bellevue ages ago.

Portugal, soft on crime.

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Whistleblower Rui Pinto given four-year suspended sentence in Football Leaks trial amid ongoing legal woes - ICIJ

Dozens of charges against Pinto — who is also the source behind ICIJ’s Luanda Leaks — were dropped due to a recent amnesty. He faces 377 charges in a separate case tied to the exposé that revealed the dark underbelly of the global football industry.
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Thanks for posting that. So Pinto is serving a four-year suspended jail sentence but still faces 377 more charges including the Ronaldo rape stuff. It is funny how the English press have totally ignored the broader context. They didn't even cover the trial which lasted months but it was covered by the overseas media.
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
I take it the case went well for City this week, given the media are now pushing the latest bullshit from a convicted criminal.

As others have said, he would have released anything else before CAS. Maybe he's hoping City try to pay him off.

Either way, City have access to everything and the club are confident we'll be cleared, so I'll continue to back them over this crank.
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You must have been reading my mind .... I was about to post the same thing !
 
Sheikh rattle and roll said:
Which makes it more bizarre why the mayor of Mcr writes a letter in support of Everton to the Pl and not City
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He used the office and his position as Mayor Greater Manchester to lobby the PL is support of a company not in Greater Manchester I have requested from the combined authority and explanation of the abuse of the office They have 3 more days in which to reply
 
Coatigan said:
Let's face it, there were zero letters sent out.

Doubt there will be anything of the sort,
ever.

The club will just issue a statement, and move on.

Sky presenters will still put innocent under quotation marks, other media people will continue to talk about technicalities, 'lifted bans' despite being dound guilty by uefa, and spin it whichever way it works for them. The average fan will think whatever they want to.

The best we migbt get is Pep saying something clever from time to time, which will very quickly be talked over, and that'll be it.

And we will win some more.

I am at peace with it.
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Maybe no letters but I know for sure that the club have been in contact with the BBC because I was told that they have to be careful what is said about the case by the 606 producer
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
I take it the case went well for City this week, given the media are now pushing the latest bullshit from a convicted criminal.

As others have said, he would have released anything else before CAS. Maybe he's hoping City try to pay him off.

Either way, City have access to everything and the club are confident we'll be cleared, so I'll continue to back them over this crank.
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Bellamy's Caddy said:
I take it the case went well for City this week, given the media are now pushing the latest bullshit from a convicted criminal.

As others have said, he would have released anything else before CAS. Maybe he's hoping City try to pay him off.

Either way, City have access to everything and the club are confident we'll be cleared, so I'll continue to back them over this crank.
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Agree it feelsl very much like bullshit and doubt it stands up to any basic scrutiny. For example each side we believe have already exchanged their evidence pre hearing, seems very unlikely this stuff could just magically appear and if it did City would need a lot more time to answer so would be a big further delay.

Sure our procedure experts could confirm whats allowed at this pount and how city could respond but just doesn't seem to at all stack up
 
Gordyola said:
How can that be determined when the hearing is still months away? This can only be someone's opinion, might be a valid one but that's as much as its is. With respect to the points deduction for non-cooperation I somewhat doubt the club will accept that, in fact Khaldoon has said in the past we wont take a "pinch" again and to offer the PL away out, why? In point of fact any punishment will be decided by the judges and the only way out for the PL would be to drop the charges
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I think it will be a points deduction for non cooperation as it's been set up for this. Have a look at the Everton case, they were originally found guilt of non cooperation when they were hit with the 10 point deduction and the only reason it was reduced to 6 points on appeal was that the verdict on the non cooperation bit wasn't legally sound as apparently Everton weren't orginally charged with it (fuck knows why). So it looks to me like it's a 4 point deduction
 
halfcenturyup said:
I wonder what the legal situation is regarding evidence obtained illegally. Is there a difference between investigating on the basis of information made public, and actively co-operating with a convicted extortionist to gain access to hacked material? You would think there would be, if that is what the PL have done as Pinto claimed.

But I get most things wrong on the legal side of things, so who knows? :)
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Not a lawyer but believe illegally obtained material is unusable in a court, but City have not been to court. The real question is, is the material strong enough evidence to start the UEFA investigation, or the PL investigation. Personally i always thought it was highly suggestive but not proof. As for Pinto, if he were selling, do you not think he would have sold something more valuable, the first time?
For me this is the press, trying to make up for the massive own goal, when they published `City to sue` as the 115 panel will have to reassess the independence of the investigation. The Government too will be very interested.
 
I don't understand this non cooperation. City can get found guilty of this but the reason for the non cooperation is not looked into.
Why would City cooperate with a witchhunt against themselves ? Knowing that delicate information about financial deals will be passed on to the American owners.
There is a reason City didn't cooperate with both UEFA and the pl and that's because both leak things to our rivals.

In what other walk of live can you be found innocent but guilty of non cooperation ? You are innocent so why cooperate.

I really don't understand this non cooperation.
 
dickie davies said:
Perhaps it's going to be similar to the guardian releasing the MPs expenses bit by bit

One week we'll find out Khaldoon has had his duck pond cleaned on company expenses, then KDB claimed for a bath plug
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Not as bad as claiming for clearing up the unicorn shit on rawk.
 
give it to gordon said:
I don't understand this non cooperation. City can get found guilty of this but the reason for the non cooperation is not looked into.
Why would City cooperate with a witchhunt against themselves ? Knowing that delicate information about financial deals will be passed on to the American owners.
There is a reason City didn't cooperate with both UEFA and the pl and that's because both leak things to our rivals.

In what other walk of live can you be found innocent but guilty of non cooperation ? You are innocent so why cooperate.

I really don't understand this non cooperation.
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I suppose it's because these are breach of contract cases and the contracts between City and UEFA and the PL require the club to co-operate with any investigations. So if they don't it's a breach irrespective of whether other breaches are proven.

I think CAS said something like the investigative process would be a complete mockery if clubs refused to co-operate, so it is a serious breach. Iirc.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I suppose it's because these are breach of contract cases and the contracts between City and UEFA and the PL require the club to co-operate with any investigations. So if they don't it's a breach irrespective of whether other breaches are proven.

I think CAS said something like the investigative process would be a complete mockery if clubs refused to co-operate, so it is a serious breach. Iirc.
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That was how I viewed the CAS/UEFA non-cooperation.

City didn't co-operate fully, albeit for good reasons as so much got leaked.
However, without passing a significant fine for that non-cooperation, no-one would ever co-operate in the future.
 
give it to gordon said:
I don't understand this non cooperation. City can get found guilty of this but the reason for the non cooperation is not looked into.
Why would City cooperate with a witchhunt against themselves ? Knowing that delicate information about financial deals will be passed on to the American owners.
There is a reason City didn't cooperate with both UEFA and the pl and that's because both leak things to our rivals.

In what other walk of live can you be found innocent but guilty of non cooperation ? You are innocent so why cooperate.

I really don't understand this non cooperation.
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Exactly we didn't cooperate by failing to show them how guilty we were.... Where's the non cooperation vercict in other not guilty cases.
 
Gordyola said:
He used the office and his position as Mayor Greater Manchester to lobby the PL is support of a company not in Greater Manchester I have requested from the combined authority and explanation of the abuse of the office They have 3 more days in which to reply
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I'm going to email my MP, Angela Rayner and put the same question to her but the stock answer will be "we can only deal with issues that relate directly to the MP's constituency". I'll reply I'm asking for the thousands of Blues who actually live in her constituency and are affected by what's happening to a club that's a major part of their lives.
 
Maly said:
Pinto is a professional hacker mate, IT security will not stop a decent hacker, much the same way as no car security system will stop a professional car thief
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Nope, he is a chancer who has been successful by targeting organisations with weak / non existent security. Just because he has done it before doesn't make him a professional. Plus the whole email database was unencrypted.

The club will have state level security now and others like him would have no chance.
 
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