General Election - 4th July 2024

[BobKowalski]

Yeah, I didn't mind Cameron myself. As you say, he destroyed his own legacy but he must've been confident of Remain winning, otherwise he wouldn't have called the referendum in the first place. He totally underestimated the influence that huge swathes of the EU-hating media had on the general public.

Despite that and subsequently being out of politics for over 7 years, he's come back and still has more clout on the world stage than that drip Sunak!

It’s not just his legacy he destroyed, but the Conservative Party, who are faced with losing seats they’ve held for a century. The ‘blue wall’ may have held in 2019 with Corbyn and exhaustion with Brexit, but five years on and with Starmer doing his ‘all things to all men’ routine and latent hostility to Brexit and its evident failures, ‘blue wall’ Conservative voters are abandoning them. The drift to the far right hasn’t helped either.

Couple this with Labour’s revival in the ‘red wall’ - and the incompetence and corruption of the Tories after their Brexit bloodletting - the Tories are staring down the barrel of a historic wipeout.

All this can be laid at Cameron’s door.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Just wondering if any of the 25 posters who have chosen Reform in our poll are changing their minds following his comments about the war in Ukraine or do they agree with him or don’t think it’s significant.

I suspect alot of Farage followers are just part of the cult now, similar to Trump fans in America - they'll give him a free pass to say whatever, thick cowards.

 

[Scottyboi]

It’s not just his legacy he destroyed, but the Conservative Party, who are faced with losing seats they’ve held for a century. The ‘blue wall’ may have held in 2019 with Corbyn and exhaustion with Brexit, but five years on and with Starmer doing his ‘all things to all men’ routine and latent hostility to Brexit and its evident failures, ‘blue wall’ Conservative voters are abandoning them. The drift to the far right hasn’t helped either.

Couple this with Labour’s revival in the ‘red wall’ - and the incompetence and corruption of the Tories after their Brexit bloodletting - the Tories are staring down the barrel of a historic wipeout.

All this can be laid at Cameron’s door.

Keep going I'm almost there!

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s not just his legacy he destroyed, but the Conservative Party, who are faced with losing seats they’ve held for a century. The ‘blue wall’ may have held in 2019 with Corbyn and exhaustion with Brexit, but five years on and with Starmer doing his ‘all things to all men’ routine and latent hostility to Brexit and its evident failures, ‘blue wall’ Conservative voters are abandoning them. The drift to the far right hasn’t helped either.

Couple this with Labour’s revival in the ‘red wall’ - and the incompetence and corruption of the Tories after their Brexit bloodletting - the Tories are staring down the barrel of a historic wipeout.

All this can be laid at Cameron’s door.

Depends what you mean by ‘All’. I think the Tory Party was likely to tear itself apart in relation to Europe eventually anyway. The notion that not calling a referendum would have made the internal issue of the EU simply disappear doesn’t stand up to objective scrutiny. So the ‘but for’ test arguably isn’t made out in relation to Cameron, and the impact the issue of Europe would have had on the Tory Party.

Agree he’s fucked the country royally though. And that of far more consequence than any damage he caused the Tory Party.

 

[BobKowalski]

Depends what you mean by ‘All’. I think the Tory Party was likely to tear itself apart in relation to Europe eventually anyway. The notion that not calling a referendum would have made the internal issue of the EU simply disappear doesn’t stand up to objective scrutiny. So the ‘but for’ test arguably isn’t made out in relation to Cameron, and the impact the issue of Europe would have had on the Tory Party.

Agree he’s fucked the country royally though. And that of far more consequence than any damage he caused the Tory Party.

Most of it then :)

Tend to agree on Europe, the referendum just brought it to a head. I think a narrow remain win would have been poisonous to the EU, whereas a narrow leave win restricted it to just the UK.

I don’t see us rejoining either. We can’t even discuss Brexit. It just sits in the room like a giant poisonous toad that everyone ignores for fear of provoking it. Not, to be honest, a healthy situation for our nation.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well I suppose its a new radical way to campaign .....

Tories are a ‘shower of shit’, says Conservative candidate James Cracknell

Former Olympian standing in Colchester adds: ‘If one of my teammates got caught for cheating they’d be dead to me’

www.theguardian.com

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Well I suppose its a new radical way to campaign .....

Tories are a ‘shower of shit’, says Conservative candidate James Cracknell

Former Olympian standing in Colchester adds: ‘If one of my teammates got caught for cheating they’d be dead to me’

www.theguardian.com

I read the Guardian’s interview with him. Honestly, he comes across as a bloke that is a bit lost. Since his traumatic head injury those around him have said his personality has drastically changed for the worse which led to him and his ex wife getting divorced.

It’s a weird one, and I don’t know what he’s been through so I’m not going to sit and judge him, but his views seem largely incongruous (much like the headline here). He just seems generally like a capable bloke who is a bit angry with the world, and I’m not saying that’s his fault, but I wouldn’t put him in Parliament to make rational and measured decisions.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Since his traumatic head injury those around him have said his personality has drastically changed for the worse which led to him and his ex wife getting divorced.

I think his ex wife turning into an anti-vax Covid denying swivel eyed loon probably played its part too

 

[TinFoilHat]

I suspect alot of Farage followers are just part of the cult now, similar to Trump fans in America - they'll give him a free pass to say whatever, thick cowards.

I can confirm this is the case with one I know.

Everything is "fake news" if it shows Führage for what he truly is. A racist grifter.

 

[johnnytapia]

Well I suppose its a new radical way to campaign .....

Tories are a ‘shower of shit’, says Conservative candidate James Cracknell

Former Olympian standing in Colchester adds: ‘If one of my teammates got caught for cheating they’d be dead to me’

www.theguardian.com

Entitled prick.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The Daily Record has declared for Labour.
Cue Harry Cole and Rebekah Brooks avoiding answering about what the Sun is going to do.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Tactical vote for me in Cheadle for Lib Dems, which will hopefully mean the zio-**** Mary Robinson loses her seat.

 

[Blue Boy 63]

Tactical vote for me in Cheadle for Lib Dems, which will hopefully mean the zio-**** Mary Robinson loses her seat.

Same for me mate . i very much doubt she even knows where her Cheadle constituency is . The very worse MP we`ve had by a country mile . She`s stole a living .

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[TinFoilHat]

The Daily Record has declared for Labour.
Cue Harry Cole and Rebekah Brooks avoiding answering about what the Sun is going to do.

Fair play to Keith here. He knew he was already on a loser with Harry Cole.

 

[Scareye]

This is even better

 

[BobKowalski]

This is an interesting article if only because i think it taps into why the Tories have lost so much support in the ‘blue wall’. It references a Brexit vibe and a sense of having lost ‘something’ and a radicalisation of the ‘sensibles’ - the articles phrase.

Brexit wasn't worth it

In the run-up to the 2016 EU Referendum, people at the IEA and in its wider orbit were having lively … Continue reading "Brexit wasn’t worth it"

iea.org.uk

‘One of the main social consequences of the Brexit vote has been the radicalisation of The Sensibles.

The Sensibles are a political tribe of sorts, except, they are defined by a vibe rather than a specific set of political beliefs. They have no strong convictions of their own. They base their politics on whatever is considered “respectable”, “reasonable”, “grown-up” and “nuanced” at a given time and place. They adopt whatever opinion is considered the smart, well-educated person’s opinion.

In our time, The Sensibles are invariably on the Left – although not in the sense of being Corbynite anti-capitalists. They are not ultra-woke either, although they would never criticise wokery, because smart, educated people don’t do that: that’s “Gammon”, and low-status.

The Sensibles have no strong loyalties to any political party: they may support Labour, or the Liberal Democrats, or the Greens, or one of the left-coded regionalist parties. They hate the Tory Party in its current form, but they love Rory Stewart, whom they used to see as “the one good Tory”, and they believe that there was a time when the party was more Sensible and Grown-Up. They are most easily defined by who and what they are against: Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, the Daily Mail, the Sun, populism, GB News, and Brexit. Of course Brexit. They really, really, really, really hate Brexit. And they cannot get over it.’

 

[inchy14]

This is even better

She’d a tear seeing that video near the end. Fucking disgraceful what this country has become under these self serving cunts.

Roll on the 4th to say goodbye, hopefully forever.

 

[bluenova]

Fair play to Keith here. He knew he was already on a loser with Harry Cole.

That backfired badly.

Making up a quote about letting relatives "die in the NHS" rather than go privately, is insanely offensive. Still, it clearly really wound him up, and it turns out he's not a bad speaker when he's annoyed.