Devolution For The Regions - Gtr Manchester

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Clean Air Zones is a Tory Policy that should have been implemented across 5 major conurbations by 2020 .

Burnham , Khan etc are simply doing what they have been told...... shame the Conservatives had to weaponise their own legislation.

Yes, but they weren't told to make them chargeable and Manchester certainly doesn't need one that is 495 sq miles in size.
 
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Didn't they chop a load of trees down to put the signs up and then put the scheme under review so the signs were made pointless? At least our money isn't being wasted eh?
Yes loads of trees chopped down to make way for the signs. Cameras put up and now removed, signage changed. How much did all that cost ? And how much will it cost to put it all back when he decides to forge ahead with it.
 
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What is your experience in this area, do you run a small business with vehicles?
No sure why you have to have experience in running a small business with vehicles to understand the implications. It’s not difficult to work out.

It may come as a surprise to you but all businesses need to comply with regulations and new regulations aren’t exactly unheard of. Any business worth its salt would work out what it needs to do and do it, and if it adds cost then they will recover it from their customers.

It seems there’s a bizarre overreaction to regulations that are put in place that might improve the health of the population and they always tend to originate from right wing commentators or politicians.

Funnily enough the “ULEZ” by-election last year in Johnson’s old constituency where scaremongering won it for the Tories went to Labour last week 10 months after ULEZ was brought in there, so once people got used to it, it was no longer an issue because it hardly affected anyone.
 
No sure why you have to have experience in running a small business with vehicles to understand the implications. It’s not difficult to work out.

It may come as a surprise to you but all businesses need to comply with regulations and new regulations aren’t exactly unheard of. Any business worth its salt would work out what it needs to do and do it, and if it adds cost then they will recover it from their customers.

It seems there’s a bizarre overreaction to regulations that are put in place that might improve the health of the population and they always tend to originate from right wing commentators or politicians.

Funnily enough the “ULEZ” by-election last year in Johnson’s old constituency where scaremongering won it for the Tories went to Labour last week 10 months after ULEZ was brought in there, so once people got used to it, it was no longer an issue because it hardly affected anyone.
OK, so you don't have any experience, but you still understand all the implications, which arnt difficult.

I don't think I need to know anymore. Thanks.
 
Yes you're right of course, it's just part and parcel of running a small buiness which isn't difficult at all. Especially in a recession.

Will you have to reduce the size of your workforce and fleet?

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Yes you're right of course, it's just part and parcel of running a small buiness which isn't difficult at all. Especially in a recession.
I would have thought that there are many complexities in running most small businesses that make dealing with a clean air zone fairly trivial. As an example getting supplies from abroad since Brexit at a reasonable cost and with tolerable timescales would seem to be a much bigger problem than budgeting a tenner a day for the van until it’s time to replace it using the grants and scrappage schemes available. I would rather have a government that put some focus on easing trading arrangements with our neighbours than one that pisses about using a public health initiative as ammunition in a culture war.
 
How do they expect to formulate a national industrial strategy if they just let the regions decide where funds are to be directed to and what industries should be supported?

Just sounds like a load of meaningless guff to me. Is Andy Burnham really the best person to make these decisions, rather than people with proper experience in commerce?

You cannot have a strategy with devolved powers? What an odd take.
 
Be careful what you wish for, remember Burnham thought a lower emissions charge for greater Manchester was a good idea. When it would just be a further tax on numerous small struggling businesses.
Not just this, it's the ultimate "get out of jail free" card for Westminster where they can pass the buck onto the regional administration
 
How do they expect to formulate a national industrial strategy if they just let the regions decide where funds are to be directed to and what industries should be supported?

Just sounds like a load of meaningless guff to me. Is Andy Burnham really the best person to make these decisions, rather than people with proper experience in commerce?
Of course it’s a load of meaningless guff to you, you’ve been brainwashed into believing that they don’t have a plan, which was clearly bollox.
 
Of course it’s a load of meaningless guff to you, you’ve been brainwashed into believing that they don’t have a plan, which was clearly bollox.
There’s a clear risk of contradiction in allowing devolved regions, each with their own self-interest and agenda, to formulate a national strategy.

It’s blindingly obvious and it’s the job of the national government to make these decisions, not simply to palm them off around the country. The fact that the various regional decision makers have little to no commercial experience only adds to the problems.

This push towards greater devolution, from both Labour and Conservative governments over the past twenty years, has in my opinion yielded very little. Other than to produce further, needless layers of government and public expenditure and of course to keep second rate politicians like Andy Burnham in circulation.
 
There’s a clear risk of contradiction in allowing devolved regions, each with their own self-interest and agenda, to formulate a national strategy.

It’s blindingly obvious and it’s the job of the national government to make these decisions, not simply to palm them off around the country. The fact that the various regional decision makers have little to no commercial experience only adds to the problems.

This push towards greater devolution, from both Labour and Conservative governments over the past twenty years, has in my opinion yielded very little. Other than to produce further, needless layers of government and public expenditure and of course to keep second rate politicians like Andy Burnham in circulation.
Ah but this is the classic way of make sure no shit hits your fan. I remember Michael Howard when he was home secretary blaming the guy in charge of HM prisons and not accepting responsibility for overcrowding 'n rioting. I seem to recall a move to shift the interface the public had with HMG to 'agencies'. I remember getting a passport from the Passport Agency - they're back now as the Passport Office. I think we are gonna be in for as many spiffing wheezes from Sir Starmer as we had from Boris, Liz 'n Rishi! The latest to appear is the suggestion that the overcrowding in prisons is gonna be solved by letting some jailbirds out!
 
Ah but this is the classic way of make sure no shit hits your fan. I remember Michael Howard when he was home secretary blaming the guy in charge of HM prisons and not accepting responsibility for overcrowding 'n rioting. I seem to recall a move to shift the interface the public had with HMG to 'agencies'. I remember getting a passport from the Passport Agency - they're back now as the Passport Office. I think we are gonna be in for as many spiffing wheezes from Sir Starmer as we had from Boris, Liz 'n Rishi! The latest to appear is the suggestion that the overcrowding in prisons is gonna be solved by letting some jailbirds out!
Have you an alternative solution to solve the immediate prison overcrowding issue?
 
There isn't an immediate solution. In fact, there's never been an 'immediate' solution to a social problem.
The only option atm is between either less severe prisoners out early or stop sentencing. Letting them out early is really the only thing to do now.

Had Tories had their finger on the pulse, this wouldn’t be an issue now
 
There’s a clear risk of contradiction in allowing devolved regions, each with their own self-interest and agenda, to formulate a national strategy.

It’s blindingly obvious and it’s the job of the national government to make these decisions, not simply to palm them off around the country. The fact that the various regional decision makers have little to no commercial experience only adds to the problems.

This push towards greater devolution, from both Labour and Conservative governments over the past twenty years, has in my opinion yielded very little. Other than to produce further, needless layers of government and public expenditure and of course to keep second rate politicians like Andy Burnham in circulation.
A second rate politician would be a huge step up from the fifth rate politicians that were in government for the last 14 years.

Looking forward to these plans being implemented.
 
I would have thought that there are many complexities in running most small businesses that make dealing with a clean air zone fairly trivial. As an example getting supplies from abroad since Brexit at a reasonable cost and with tolerable timescales would seem to be a much bigger problem than budgeting a tenner a day for the van until it’s time to replace it using the grants and scrappage schemes available. I would rather have a government that put some focus on easing trading arrangements with our neighbours than one that pisses about using a public health initiative as ammunition in a culture war.
I think you are best sticking to topics you can bullshit your way through in future. This isn't one of them.
 
Britain is unusual in that it is still very much a unitary state. This very much appeals to people with a Stalinesque mentality.

I find it amazing that many people still believe the man in Whitehall knows what's best for Bacup, Cleckheaton or Aylsham. He doesn't. Very often the man in Whitehall thinks nothing beyond Watford Junction has any significance.

We have made a few tentative steps towards devolution and need to make many more. In my ideal world, the UK government would just do stuff like national funding, defence and foreign policy. But any move to devolution is fine by me. A federal constitution would be better still. But no hope of that, alas.
 

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