£5.95 for a Latte is a disgraceIf MCR Airport releases footage of the Starbucks altercation (whereupon they are also seen to be the aggressor), i'd say their "poor me" narrative is as dead as a dodo.
You've got to laugh at their insincerity.
Great stuff, let me have the link so I can ignore itI'm impressed by it.
So much so I'm starting a go fund me page for them.
But did the officer know that in such a fast moving situation.On people who have just been tasered and are incapacitated?
I do think that as many people on here are able to articulate a defence that ignores the urge for mere retribution as a reason, suggests that he too will have a defence.
tbh I thought he would have been cuffing him asap.But did the officer know that in such a fast moving situation.
Fair points but the law is a complicated animal, there is statue and case law to fall back on-whilst the two males conduct is undoubtedly criminal it is simply wrong to say without doubt that the officer’s is-and don’t forget we are only seeing cctv footage-we don’t hear the officers, we don’t hear the two males, and there is also body worn footage, previous police incidents, numerous witnesses; it’s a complex matter as u have repeatedly asserted.The law exists (UK law in this instance), its literally what Governs our behaviour. Like it or not, it exists and we as members of society must abide by the laws of the land in which we choose to reside.
Opinions also exist, we are all entitled to them no matter how outlandish other may view them.
Now, something being the law v often doesn't match my opinion, nor i would guess the majority opinion on the matter. For example - if a paedophile went near my child id 100% want to find them BEFORE the police did.
That however doesn't alter the fact that id be then charged with the crime of murder. Its just that id accept that as it would be my choice to ignore the law and handle it as i suspect most reasonable humans would.
My (rather laboured and waffling) point here being, its abundantly clear that both 'sides' here have broken the law. Its pretty much indisputable for either party to say otherwise. Therefore BOTH sides should face the individual consequences of that. To say otherwise is simply you offering your opinion, which is of course fine and may be something id agree with morally, but as explained its not the law, and to say that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is "an idiot" or as i've seen other comments in this thread, doesn't put anyone (the hypothetical poster) in a good light for believing that your/their opinion overrides the very law which gives you/their life in this country as you know it.
Therefore, given the above, id be surprised if a Judge reaches any outcome which doesn't involve seeing a custodial sentence for both 'sides'
Too busy protecting his weapontbh I thought he would have been cuffing him asap.
Fair points but the law is a complicated animal, there is statue and case law to fall back on-whilst the two males conduct is undoubtedly criminal it is simply wrong to say without doubt that the officer’s is-and don’t forget we are only seeing cctv footage-we don’t hear the officers, we don’t hear the two males, and there is also body worn footage, previous police incidents, numerous witnesses; it’s a complex matter as u have repeatedly assertedI can see th
If i agree that its perhaps wrong make a definite decision on the Officers guilt due to only seeing CCTV (and tbf you are correct) I guess i have offered my opinion on the legal matter on whether guilty or not. And as im not the Judge i agree the fact that the Officer kicking the shit out of some restrained guys head isnt for me to say whether its criminal or not. However, its surely somewhat contradictory for you (or anyone) to then say the actions of the 2 males are "undoubtedly criminal' . Otherwise you are effectively saying your opinion overrides law whereas mine doesn't. In reality neither does, any my initial point remains which is - its up to the courts to decide and my opinion is that both will be found guilty and i struggle to see what either side can possibly utilise in defence other than 'in my opinion i acted reasonable' which wont help either as the law says otherwise.Fair points but the law is a complicated animal, there is statue and case law to fall back on-whilst the two males conduct is undoubtedly criminal it is simply wrong to say without doubt that the officer’s is-and don’t forget we are only seeing cctv footage-we don’t hear the officers, we don’t hear the two males, and there is also body worn footage, previous police incidents, numerous witnesses; it’s a complex matter as u have repeatedly asserted.
Fuck the family!Credit to them for that; they've done the right thing. The bloke was a shit stirrer, and it's laughable that he's a lawyer. I also think they realise that the release of the second video has significantly damaged their case.
When you said "I hope the lad in blue does time", I thought you were referring to the police officer until I'd finished reading the sentence!Fuck the family!
They are parasites who saw a big claim coming there way and did everything they could to try and cash in
Now they know they are fucked and the backlash is happening they will backtrack
Not least because Tommy Robinson (dick head as he may be) is threatening a march in Rochdale and that will cause a riot
The ‘family’ knew the full story and did not give a shit
I hope the lad in blue does time for this as he absolute 100% deserves to if only as a marker that violence against women police officers is unacceptable
oh did I say fuck the family!!
Does anyone else get the feeling that, six months down the line (when this story has died the inevitable death) and when the family has disappeared back into obscurity, along with the rest of us, people will look back and wonder what the hell all the fuss was about? That latest video, along with the rumours of trouble on the plane and in Starbucks, will just about have put paid to the families campaign for "justice"
But the law doesn’t say otherwise-police need to use force within the laws I have listed elsewhere and it needs to be necessary and proportionate-but the law around self defence is subjective; the person’s honestly held belief-and a court would then decide whether that belief was reasonable-but it is not an objective test as many offences are. I have also alluded to case law such as Rv Palmer which is worth a read.If i agree that its perhaps wrong make a definite decision on the Officers guilt due to only seeing CCTV (and tbf you are correct) I guess i have offered my opinion on the legal matter on whether guilty or not. And as im not the Judge i agree the fact that the Officer kicking the shit out of some restrained guys head isnt for me to say whether its criminal or not. However, its surely somewhat contradictory for you (or anyone) to then say the actions of the 2 males are "undoubtedly criminal' . Otherwise you are effectively saying your opinion overrides law whereas mine doesn't. In reality neither does, any my initial point remains which is - its up to the courts to decide and my opinion is that both will be found guilty and i struggle to see what either side can possibly utilise in defence other than 'in my opinion i acted reasonable' which wont help either as the law says otherwise.
I've not picked a side, I'm for public order and the police having the power to do a difficult job and I'm not going to bash them over this incident.One of the saddest parts of this is that following a short video and now 2 people, posters and communities felt the need to pick a side and will defend that side no matter what. How can we ever have decent communities with attitudes like this. Its never ending.
Credit to them for that; they've done the right thing. The bloke was a shit stirrer, and it's laughable that he's a lawyer. I also think they realise that the release of the second video has significantly damaged their case.
I have no idea what you have done, I read a post and either agree or don't. I very rarely remember who posted what. There are only a couple of dicks who i can guarantee are pretty much always talking shite.I've not picked a side, I'm for public order and the police having the power to do a difficult job and I'm not going to bash them over this incident.