The Labour Government

mosssideblue said:
Labour might not be everyone’s cup of tea but compared to the thieving, lying bastards just thrown out, they are a breath of fresh air
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It was an incredibly low bar they had to get over and we’d be in a shit tonne of trouble if they hadn’t!!! I’ve seen some positive things already and it is clear they are working hard. I hope they succeed as it’s in all our interests.

That said yesterday probably hasn’t gone down as well as they had hoped. I do like that Reeves is bringing more investigative power to the OBR, that’s gone under the radar a little compared to the 2 big announcements that raised more than a few eyebrows.
 
carlosthejackal said:
Winter fuel payments should have always been means tested , the level at which it’s set is the main issue. Without divulging any personal information my mum received it but has a fortune invested in various bank accounts, from my point of view that’s totally unacceptable and immoral.
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Absolutely right. There is clearly a number of people who don’t need it. Reeves has missed the mark where she has set this particular line.
 
carlosthejackal said:
Winter fuel payments should have always been means tested , the level at which it’s set is the main issue. Without divulging any personal information my mum received it but has a fortune invested in various bank accounts, from my point of view that’s totally unacceptable and immoral.
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Wasn’t the argument against means testing that it would have been more expensive than just paying everyone?
 
mosssideblue said:
Labour might not be everyone’s cup of tea but compared to the thieving, lying bastards just thrown out, they are a breath of fresh air
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Time will teach you that they are all a bunch of lying thieving bastards. The moment you realise that is when you begin to understand it doesn't matter who is in power we are getting shafted whether we like it or not.
 
mosssideblue said:
Not stopped you and others piling in already has it?

Enough evidence already to show they are miles ahead of where the Tories were
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Haha, when you are in power, you should expect the electorate to question decisions. We are a democracy not a dictatorship are we not.

My advice would be firstly to try not to be so sensitive and secondly get used to it. I've questioned a few things but will judge them in five years.
 
The budget will tell us much about this government. There is plenty money sloshing around if they hit the right targets. CGT,
Wealth taxes (and I mean real wealth). Patriotic billionaires. Where are they going to invest and get the country out of its tail spin?
 
metalblue said:
It was an incredibly low bar they had to get over and we’d be in a shit tonne of trouble if they hadn’t!!! I’ve seen some positive things already and it is clear they are working hard. I hope they succeed as it’s in all our interests.

That said yesterday probably hasn’t gone down as well as they had hoped. I do like that Reeves is bringing more investigative power to the OBR, that’s gone under the radar a little compared to the 2 big announcements that raised more than a few eyebrows.
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This is my take on things.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
The budget will tell us much about this government. There is plenty money sloshing around if they hit the right targets. CGT,
Wealth taxes (and I mean real wealth). Patriotic billionaires. Where are they going to invest and get the country out of its tail spin?
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You're not including scruffy Jim the tax dodger in that group of billionaires are you, bit of wishful thinking if you are?
 
mosssideblue said:
What would the Tories have done?
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They would have kept it, they increased it and kept the tripple lock that these lying bastards will scap next year when inflation takes off again, oh if you have a Company or private pension get your 25%tax free lump sum out now if you are over 55 before these fuckers tax it
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Haha, when you are in power, you should expect the electorate to question decisions. We are a democracy not a dictatorship are we not.

My advice would be firstly to try not to be so sensitive and secondly get used to it. I've questioned a few things but will judge them in five years.
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Don’t need any advice thanks. Your hypocrisy though needs looking into maybe
 
Project1 said:
Time will teach you that they are all a bunch of lying thieving bastards. The moment you realise that is when you begin to understand it doesn't matter who is in power we are getting shafted whether we like it or not.
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100% this every time!

All politicians are only in for it to see what they can get out of it.

Comfortable salary, extremely generous expense accounts.

Time will also teach you that we need proportional representation. To think we have a government with such immense power and authority over a country where less than 35% of the public want them in power is despicable. We all want our votes to count.
 
frothy said:
That's true, but a lot of people like my Mum were just over the limit for pension credit and had to pay full Council tax and no help with the mortgage for people that still had one
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Speaking further to my aunt this morning (who is over the limit for everything), she has now told me that her 77 year old husband has taken on a part time job in the last few weeks. Their savings have been badly eroded over the last few years, what with fuel bills and other rising prices.
77!!! Worked from when he was a 14 year old paperboy (where he once met Ian Brady who used to call into the newsagents for his daily paper, but that's another story) then in engineering and then ended up as a hospitality manager until he retired at 65.
She did admit that they have "middle class tastes but working class pockets" but it just goes to show how hard these recent years have been on some who should be happily retired.
 
metalblue said:
For sure mate, teachers, fire etc etc. It’s bonkers when you think about it that they get above inflation pay awards yet we still might have a proverbial “winter of discontent” and that’s solely down to a very bullish pay award to junior doctors and now the gloves are off, the next 12 months are going to be interesting. I get why he wanted it done, perhaps it just proves the old saying that no good deed goes unpunished.
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I see that Reeves has today said that the cost of the outsize pay settlement for junior doctors is a ‘drop in the ocean’ compared to the cost of industrial action in the NHS.

That’s a great negotiating position for when the other NHS workers come for their 22% pay rise! You do genuinely have to question her intelligence when she makes comments like that.
 
mosssideblue said:
Don’t need any advice thanks. Your hypocrisy though needs looking into maybe
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All im saying is you need to possibly relax a little, its an internet chat forum. You and I have had many a good debate over the years have we not.

Pls point out my hypocrisy?

I voted for Labour last month, so I want them to do well. I have few doubts that they will be an improvement on our last Government, but that doesn't mean they won't make mistakes and won't please everyone.
 
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