PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[bluealf]

Maybe I'm way off on this one but could it be possible that we've been talking with the prem league for a while and we've admitted our guilt. Some sort of settlement has been agreed which would involve a huge fine and points deduction, but the hearing still has to take place anyway.
It's could be another reason as to why we aren't spending this summer.

Hopefully you're way off, judging from what Khaldoon said a couple of season back I very much doubt City are admitting to anything tbh

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

If it’s deemed legal the Premier League’s argument ends up on rocky ground with Mancini’s wages and player image rights. This then becomes a civil matter where the limitations act comes into play where they can only go back 6 years from the point of discovery.

It could be perfectly legal and still breach PL rules. It is not illegal to invest too much money in a business but it breaches PL rules. The Mancini stuff is surely bollocks anyway because the initial contract was agreed three years before FFP came in,

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Maybe I'm way off on this one but could it be possible that we've been talking with the prem league for a while and we've admitted our guilt. Some sort of settlement has been agreed which would involve a huge fine and points deduction, but the hearing still has to take place anyway.
It's could be another reason as to why we aren't spending this summer.

The opposite is more likely. The hearing has possibly been brought forward because a lot of the serious false accounting charges don’t stack up. The media narrative will become all about Mancini and Toure. The two bullshit allegations. Just a smear campaign from start to finish.

 

[WRicko]

It could be perfectly legal and still breach PL rules. It is not illegal to invest too much money in a business but it breaches PL rules. The Mancini stuff is surely bollocks anyway because the initial contract was agreed three years before FFP came in,

The allegations is in affect fraud they loose that they loose most of the case we haven’t been accused for the most part overspending rather cooking the books

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The allegations is in affect fraud they loose that they loose most of the case we haven’t been accused for the most part overspending rather cooking the books

The false accounting stuff is essentially fraud and that’s the majority of the allegations. I thought the Toure stuff was more about image rights issues. We could be cleared of all the false accounting stuff and yet still breach PL rules on Mancini and Toure.

 

[WRicko]

Just remind me where did the Toure allegations come from I only remember seeing the other stuff mentioned in the emails I know Fordham could be connected to it which was possibly mentioned in emails but was more widely know but was also more general and covered all players. Feels like Tour thing was made up or inferred from other stuff and only attached to him if we where paying people off the books why only him ?

 

[give it to gordon]

I try to not let this stuff effect me and I guess it doesn't most of the time.
But the fact that rags got a 75million helping hand from the pl. A PL were they vetted Masters who has now help them avoid ffp failure.
Everton, forest, Leicester failed ffp, Newcastle, villa sailing close to ffp. Yet rags the rules are changed and allowed to be 75million over ffp.

The pl stinks I believe City are 100% innocent and I believe that doesn't matter and City will be found guilty. The pl is so bent.
What puzzles me is why the clubs that are being screwed by the pl aren't getting together.

I know people will tell me it's the King's Council, but our justice system is full of wrong full convictions.

I trust City, CAS proved City had done nothing wrong.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I can't understand why, if the original hearing was scheduled for November to meet the requirement for all the parties to be available, and it was due to take 6 weeks, it has suddenly, almost overnight, been rearranged to take place 2 months earlier and will now take 10 weeks. Doesn't sound right to me.

 

[mancboy]

get ready for hell of a media campaign then next few months, I am sure media boys wanna whip up the pressure and bad media coverage as much as they can while the hearing is ongoing. whatsapp boys last hurrah and all that.

all I want to see a huge City win in the 115 case and Pep to renew on the back of it. imagine the tears of all rivals.

despite this I am not optimistic we can dodge every single bullet, they charged us with everything for a reason so something can stick.

and therein lies their biggest problem really, ive said all along if they actually had any intention of doing any serious damage to us then they wouldnt have gone with 115 charges against us, anyone will tell you in legal terms throwing enough at someone in the hope that something sticks is a fools errand as it just muddies the waters, all this was and has ever been is a coordinated way to tarnish the club via the media because otherwise there is just no point in relating every single charge to a separate season because its pointless but as i have always said 6 charges doesnt play well in the media but 115 charges looks like the pl are doing their job, its all optics.

 

[Bald fraud]

Toure has no allegiance to us whatsoever, he's never acknowledged the success he gained with us, I'm sure he would have bubbled us if we'd paid him illegally. I'm sure he'd be forthcoming with information as long as it didn't leave him open to HMRC action bit as he no longer lives in the UK he probably wouldn't give a fuck, doubt we'd have our ourselves at risk with him knowing his character.

Get what you’re saying. But if you’re wages are dropping in your bank account every month would he have a clue or give a shit where the money was coming from?

 

[mancboy]

the bottom line is this and i have always said this when HMRC come knocking at the door then ill be worried until then this is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a media campaign, it is baffling to me that not a single person in the press has picked up that what they are accusing city, a royal family, one of the worlds largest investment vehicles and a country, not to mention multiple pre eminent business people is fraud which last time i checked was a criminal offence, yet not a single criminal charge has been laid or even passed to the relevant authorities, i do wonder why.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The false accounting stuff is essentially fraud and that’s the majority of the allegations. I thought the Toure stuff was more about image rights issues. We could be cleared of all the false accounting stuff and yet still breach PL rules on Mancini and Toure.

This. I suppose it is possible that the more serious allegations have taken a back seat for one reason or another and so the whole thing becomes easier / needs less preparation. Those allegations, based on what we think we know, are just crazy anyway.

But I think it is more likely that these idiot journalists were off the mark with a November hearing in the first place. You see what SB said about their announcement timing. Which makes me wonder how accurate this latest stuff is. Just a know-nothing journalist repeating what he was told without any critical thought, is my guess.

Interesting about the APT case, though. I choose to believe that because it ties into my likely outcome that the PL is perfectly entitled to set rules around transactions, but they can't discriminate against certain clubs' business models and certainly can't impose onerous requirements on those clubs that impair their commercial performance. So the rules will stay, but will be changed, I think.

I also doubt the PL are briefing Ziegler after their abject failure to keep stuff confidential in the APT case (which I am sure will have hurt them), at least not directly. So his information is probably coming from second-hand sources who want to spin things their way.

 

[mancboy]

Get what you’re saying. But if you’re wages are dropping in your bank account every month would he have a clue or give a shit where the money was coming from?

No you most likely wouldnt but i tell you this alot of other people bloody would, according to the pl more people are in on this than the apparent fake moon landings and not one, not a single one has come forward with any evidence, makes you wonder why doesnt it

 

[Fordyboy46]

I can't understand why, if the original hearing was scheduled for November to meet the requirement for all the parties to be available, and it was due to take 6 weeks, it has suddenly, almost overnight, been rearranged to take place 2 months earlier and will now take 10 weeks. Doesn't sound right to me.

Because the cry baby mard arse cartel clubs have probably kicked off that it's taking too long and the prem league have caved into them again

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Travelling into work this morning. Flicked Talksport on..
115 this 115 that..Relegation this relegation that.
Ziegler is a little cartel brown nosing wanker.

"Irrefutable Evidence"

Clearly a tactic by Ziegler to unsettle the club,team pre season..Utter wanker

 

[mancboy]

Travelling into work this morning. Flicked Talksport on..
115 this 115 that..Relegation this relegation that.
Ziegler is a little cartel brown nosing wanker.

"Irrefutable Evidence"

Clearly a tactic by Ziegler to unsettle the club,team pre season..Utter wanker

what i find amusing about this is that they are acting like its nothing we havent seen before and nothing we didnt already know,, they need to get their tissues out now, we are not going to get relegated, we are not going to be stripped of trophies and they do not have a smoking gun, the pl have backed themselves into a fight they know they have no chance of winning and masters is going to look even more foolish than he already does, he would be way out of his depth in a paddling pool and yet he has chosen to jump into an ocean full of sharks.

 

[Coatigan]

I'm very sceptical of date changes.

So am I.

What a coincidence, this coming as a story the week the league starts. Players returning from holidays, not fully fit, squad still neing shaped, now they kick off the campaign with this hanging over them, and no doubt headlines all round.

Previously, it was 'sometime in November', so they would have had time to get some rhythm and momentum built, and could have been in solod ground when the headlines broke to avoid distraction. Now, it is in september, mere weeks away, and adds to the pressures of the start of the season. If it doesn't happen in September, no harm to anyone that claimed it really. In the meantime, it is a distraction thrown in.

Let's hope we start strong.

 

[dickie davies]

Travelling into work this morning. Flicked Talksport on..
115 this 115 that..Relegation this relegation that.
Ziegler is a little cartel brown nosing wanker.

"Irrefutable Evidence"

Clearly a tactic by Ziegler to unsettle the club,team pre season..Utter wanker

Schoolboy error in flicking on talk shite other than when they're doing a commentary on a live game

 

[give it to gordon]

the bottom line is this and i have always said this when HMRC come knocking at the door then ill be worried until then this is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a media campaign, it is baffling to me that not a single person in the press has picked up that what they are accusing city, a royal family, one of the worlds largest investment vehicles and a country, not to mention multiple pre eminent business people is fraud which last time i checked was a criminal offence, yet not a single criminal charge has been laid or even passed to the relevant authorities, i do wonder why.

Agree when I look at the 'facts' and who the pl are accusing of fraud, I find it unbelievable that a tinpot Masters and the pl think City are fraudulent. City's board and sponsors are big fish on the world's seas !.
Why would they risk everything for little old City ?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Because the cry baby mard arse cartel clubs have probably kicked off that it's taking too long and the prem league have caved into them again

Anyone who has ever tried to re-arrange a meeting, even a one-day meeting, with senior, in-demand professionals knows that re-arranging a case like this from 6 weeks November/January to 10 weeks September/December is almost impossible. That is two/three months of re-arranged diaries for how many professionals? 20 or 30? I can't see it myself.

Just don't believe anything you read in the press would be my advice. We will presumably hear somehow when it actually starts ....