PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Not sure the tweets were to damage City. Having some successes in the APT case is wholesome praise the way the press has been going.

But yes, the shift of the narrative away from filing accounts that don't show a true and fair view (which absolutely is one of the allegations and is THE most serious) to Mancini (which should be time limited) and Toure (of which half should be time limited) is interesting. I read the actual article (linked for anyone who wants to read it) and the paragraph about the allegations has nine words about accounting and nearly 50 on Mancini and Toure. Almost as if the ground is being prepared for some non-disclosures to the PL and not the more serious stuff. It may mean something if you think Ziegler understands what he is writing about, but that is a stretch, imho.

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the thing is even if they were going to start pulling at that thread both mancini and toure have publicly stated that no one from pl has spoken to them and even if they did everything was above board and if i was citys qc the first question id ask was why didnt you speak to either of these 2 people.
 
mancboy said:
the thing is even if they were going to start pulling at that thread both mancini and toure have publicly stated that no one from pl has spoken to them and even if they did everything was above board and if i was citys qc the first question id ask was why didnt you speak to either of these 2 people.
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I don't think the issue with either of those is any illegality, tbf. The PL probably has all the documentation it needs. It's just a question of proper disclosure to the PL.
 
Damanino said:
get ready for hell of a media campaign then next few months, I am sure media boys wanna whip up the pressure and bad media coverage as much as they can while the hearing is ongoing. whatsapp boys last hurrah and all that.

all I want to see a huge City win in the 115 case and Pep to renew on the back of it. imagine the tears of all rivals.

despite this I am not optimistic we can dodge every single bullet, they charged us with everything for a reason so something can stick.
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"We know Kung Fu..."
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Maybe I'm way off on this one but could it be possible that we've been talking with the prem league for a while and we've admitted our guilt. Some sort of settlement has been agreed which would involve a huge fine and points deduction, but the hearing still has to take place anyway.
It's could be another reason as to why we aren't spending this summer.
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You're correct, you're way off.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not sure the tweets were to damage City. Having some successes in the APT case is wholesome praise the way the press has been going.

But yes, the shift of the narrative away from filing accounts that don't show a true and fair view (which absolutely is one of the allegations and is THE most serious) to Mancini (which should be time limited) and Toure (of which half should be time limited) is interesting. I read the actual article (linked for anyone who wants to read it) and the paragraph about the allegations has nine words about accounting and nearly 50 on Mancini and Toure. Almost as if the ground is being prepared for some non-disclosures to the PL and not the more serious stuff. It may mean something if you think Ziegler understands what he is writing about, but that is a stretch, imho.

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I agree about the Tweets. What I meant was that dripping out the APT "success story" line at the same time as the more serious stuff is a good PR tactic. The APT stuff will be buried by the main "false accounting" case. Ziegler is no financial expert but he is very well informed on the entire saga going back to the UEFA case. I am sure he knows who has been doing the leaks to the Times and the New York Times and where the bodies are buried. His team has very good contacts at LFC, AFC, and Spurs.
 
Boss has just let me know, its over, no more celebrating for us, relegation and trophies removed,
never knew he had an insight into the case, effin Knob head,
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Because the teams that play in red were agitating for a super league 3 years ago because Uefa didn’t do a job on City. If the Premier League doesn’t do it, they will be at it again pushing another super league.

They want City wiped off the map which is resulting in splits within the clubs within the Premier League finally seeing this all for what it is. This could be hugely damaging for the PL as a whole all the while whilst Real Madrid has free run on stockpiling players.
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If true I don't understand why they invited City into the original Super League?
 
Gingers Dad said:
If true I don't understand why they invited City into the original Super League?
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because you want the eyes on it, a successful new venture needs superstar power and even tho they hate us they know not having us massively diminishes the product and shows even more what that product is all about.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I agree with most of this. What we do know for certain is that Ziegler has had another briefing from someone. He has been told that our case against the PL on assisted parties has been partially successful and also told that the timetable for the ongoing PL "false accounting" case against us has been brought forward. I don't think City have briefed him so it can only really have come from the PL or another Club Director who is in the loop on the PL legal case. Previous experience suggests that Zeigler has had information from AFC and LFC. So it is likely someone in the PL leadership team has blabbed to someone at LFC or AFC. And someone lower down the foodchain at one of those clubs has briefed Ziegler. This is a another attempt to set the media narrative to damage City.
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One of Ziegler's colleagues at The Times is Owen Slot. Owen's wife is Juliet Slot, who is Chief Commercial Officer at Arsenal.
 
Gingers Dad said:
If true I don't understand why they invited City into the original Super League?
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Their competition doesn’t look very good if the best team in England over the last decade in it. They needed City in it but the competition run on their terms with one of the Glazers as ceo. They were all going to get solidarity payments which would have wiped out a decent chunk of the likes of the rags and Spurs’ debt. No wonder they were pissed off when it went belly up, 115 is the recoil from it.
 
give it to gordon said:
I try to not let this stuff effect me and I guess it doesn't most of the time.
But the fact that rags got a 75million helping hand from the pl. A PL were they vetted Masters who has now help them avoid ffp failure.
Everton, forest, Leicester failed ffp, Newcastle, villa sailing close to ffp. Yet rags the rules are changed and allowed to be 75million over ffp.

The pl stinks I believe City are 100% innocent and I believe that doesn't matter and City will be found guilty. The pl is so bent.
What puzzles me is why the clubs that are being screwed by the pl aren't getting together.

I know people will tell me it's the King's Council, but our justice system is full of wrong full convictions.

I trust City, CAS proved City had done nothing wrong.
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Guess already got answer
YANK owners
 
mancboy said:
because you want the eyes on it, a successful new venture needs superstar power and even tho they hate us they know not having us massively diminishes the product and shows even more what that product is all about.
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.... And there would have been plenty of ways to keep City down inside the ESL. Just look at who was running that God-awful organisation. Any City fan saying the PL is bad, bring on the ESL is missing the most basic of big pictures
 
halfcenturyup said:
Anyone who has ever tried to re-arrange a meeting, even a one-day meeting, with senior, in-demand professionals knows that re-arranging a case like this from 6 weeks November/January to 10 weeks September/December is almost impossible. That is two/three months of re-arranged diaries for how many professionals? 20 or 30? I can't see it myself.

Just don't believe anything you read in the press would be my advice. We will presumably hear somehow when it actually starts ....
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I have no idea what's true and am generally cynical as to anything stated in the press. On the other hand, Ziegler seems very well informed on this matter, apparently receiving information direct from one of our PL rivals, which in turn is kept in the loop by the PL hierarchy.

I'd merely conjecture that, IMO, the above may not mean that there'll be ten weeks of hearings starting in September. In fact, I'd very much doubt there would be. IMO it could mean there'll a number of days of hearings (perhaps 4 weeks' worth, at a pure guess) within the ten-week period Ziegler refers to.

I do think the mood music arounbd the case has changed a little. I was particularly struck by that recent piece in The Sun which took the form of a Q&A between Martin Lipton and Martin Blackburn. I wasn't surprised that the latter, as someone with close links to MCFC, concluded we'd likely face a fine at worst with a possibility of being done for something such as non-cooperation. However, it was striking that the former basically agreed with him.

That's the first time I recall having seen a senior mainstream football journalist writing for the national press speak in those terms. I know that Lipton is quite well connected with various PL clubs, the London ones especially, so I view that as quite a significant step.

The additional focus on the Mancini and Toure charges strikes me as a possible attempt to switch focus in a reality where the more serious charges don't stick. Non-cooperation doesn't necessarily entail financial wrongdoing, but guilty with regard to either or both of Roberto and Yaya leaves open a PR line of attack that our finances were clearly dodgy but we've covered up the most egregious cases.
 
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