Adam Wharton

Just watched some compilations and analysis of Wharton’s play last year and whilst he definitely looks a prospect, I did notice he likes to dive in quite a lot when defending.

I wonder if he’d be allowed to do that which such frequency in a sky blue shirt and, if not, how that would impact his effectiveness in the CDM role.

Rodri rarely does that—mostly because that isn’t how he defends, but also because he knows he has a 50/50 chance of a booking as soon as he leaves his feet.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Just watched some compilations and analysis of Wharton’s play last year and whilst he definitely looks a prospect, I did notice he likes to dive in quite a lot when defending.

I wonder if he’d be allowed to do that which such frequency in a sky blue shirt and, if not, how that would impact his effectiveness in the CDM role.

Rodri rarely does that—mostly because that isn’t how he defends, but also because he knows he has a 50/50 chance of a booking as soon as he leaves his feet.
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we;re one of the least booked teams in the league and have been for about a decade. even most fouls per booking we are usually top 3.

He'll be fine and learn to use his positioning under pep
 
FMwkdsoul said:
we;re one of the least booked teams in the league and have been for about a decade. even most fouls per booking we are usually top 3.

He'll be fine and learn to use his positioning under pep
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I wasn’t referring to team bookings, I was referring to bookings of our CDM.

And the useful metric would be fouls and bookings as a ratio of possession, not fouls per booking, as we normally dominate possession so should have far fewer fouls and bookings relative to teams that have less possession.
 
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Some getting a bit over excited on the basis of 15 or so PL fixtures. I didn’t even notice this guy when we turned up & beat them 4-2 in April.
We don’t need a Rodri replacement who can step in for 10 games a season, we need another world class midfielder who will play regularly alongside Rodri & who can also play his role when Rodri needs a rest.
I doubt we will get the quality we need if we approach it from the stand in for Rodri scenario. Who, with the required ability, will come here knowing they are only playing 10-15 have a season?
We’ve got the money, we need to spend it on a top class midfielder who is capable of being a regular starter. I’ve no idea who that is, best left to the City hierarchy…perhaps this guy will be that player. He’s young and will likely be okay with playing less games initially?
There, I’m contradicting myself.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I wasn’t referring to team bookings, I was referring to bookings of our CDM.

And the useful metric would be fouls and bookings as a ratio of possession, not fouls per booking, as we normally dominate possession so should have far fewer fouls and bookings relative to teams that have less possession.
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Up to and around his sending off Rodri was getting booked all the time. Then he never got another suspension. Not sure what changed ,referees or Rodri being more controlled.
 
blueparrot said:
Up to and around his sending off Rodri was getting booked all the time. Then he never got another suspension. Not sure what changed ,referees or Rodri being more controlled.
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He actually got booked 4 times in the 7 league games after the sending off, I remember thinking he was looking at a another suspensions but then cut them out just before the Christmas fixtures. Crazy that the 4 games he missed resulted in 4 losses - our only 3 in the league and exit in the Carabao cup. Just shows how much we need a capable replacement.
 
bluesmith said:
He actually got booked 4 times in the 7 league games after the sending off, I remember thinking he was looking at an another suspensions but then cut them out just before the Christmas fixtures. Crazy that the 4 games he missed resulted in 4 losses - our only 3 in the league and exit in the Carabao cup. Just shows how much we need a capable replacement.
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It is why I am not entirely convinced Wharton is the man for the job, as he looks far more prone to leaving his feet than Rodri.

Now, perhaps Pep (and Rodri) could train that tendency out of him, but when it is your natural inclination, it can be difficult to break yourself of it. And I still maintain he would not get anywhere near the leeway to do it as CDM in our side as he got at Blackburn or Palace.

I think I would want to see more of him in the PL in general, anyway, to be more confident he can actually consistently perform at this level. Last thing we need is another Phillips situation, especially as Wharton will cost more.
 
bluesmith said:
He actually got booked 4 times in the 7 league games after the sending off, I remember thinking he was looking at a another suspensions but then cut them out just before the Christmas fixtures. Crazy that the 4 games he missed resulted in 4 losses - our only 3 in the league and exit in the Carabao cup. Just shows how much we need a capable replacement.
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Shows why it’s so difficult too. I think if he misses 4 games of our choice though not suspension then we probably win them.The carabao is a red herring it was a weak team anyway in a competition we needed knocked out of before the CWC .
 
SebastianBlue said:
It is why I am not entirely convinced Wharton is the man for the job, as he looks far more prone to leaving his feet than Rodri.

Now, perhaps Pep (and Rodri) could train that tendency out of him, but when it is your natural inclination, it can be difficult to break yourself of it. And I still maintain he would not get anywhere near the leeway to do it as CDM in our side as he got at Blackburn or Palace.

I think I would want to see more of him in the PL in general, anyway, to be more confident he can actually consistently perform at this level. Last thing we need is another Phillips situation, especially as Wharton will cost more.
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He'd have less need to tackle as we have the ball much more than Palace.

Not saying 100% it'd work, he might well make mistakes and bad tackles.

But he's young, he can learn new tricks, he can develop. Phillips was already set in his ways, his game was what it was, and was pretty much set in stone. Really not all that comparable.

The one thing we should do though, if we do sign him - he doesn't need a huge pay increase from what he's on at Palace. His prize is the move to us, not doubling his pay. Sign him, then increase his pay when he's proved himself. That way he's not impossible to shift if it doesn't quite work out.
 
lazerblue said:
it's a no from me
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It’s not a yes or no for me at this stage. Whilst he’s obviously a very talented player I’m not sure 15 or so games is anywhere near enough to proclaim him as a must buy.
Happy to watch this space.
 
Phil1 said:
It’s not a yes or no for me at this stage. Whilst he’s obviously a very talented player I’m not sure 15 or so games is anywhere near enough to proclaim him as a must buy.
Happy to watch this space.
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Listened to the Esteemed Kompany podcast with Ahsan (can't remember if they're on here), but Ahsan made a great point about it being the World Cup in 2 years, and that next year probably wouldn't be a good time for him to move anywhere, as he'd want to be playing every single game leading up to the World Cup.

This summer might be the right time for him to move, a season or so settling in and then hit the ground running going into the World Cup season.

I think I've seen enough from him to think he's got the ability to play for City, but that's not to say he'd walk into our team now.

Also, if he stays he will probably sign a new contract which will likely wipe out his current (rumoured) £55m release clause (something else Ahsan mentioned).
 
Fuzzy80 said:
Surely he stays at Palace at least one more season, he needs games not a new team.
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I agree. If we sign him he’s going on loan.

One of the best young players in the championship, done well in the league and very highly rated so it’s a yes from me.
 
chris85mcfc said:
Listened to the Esteemed Kompany podcast with Ahsan (can't remember if they're on here), but Ahsan made a great point about it being the World Cup in 2 years, and that next year probably wouldn't be a good time for him to move anywhere, as he'd want to be playing every single game leading up to the World Cup.

This summer might be the right time for him to move, a season or so settling in and then hit the ground running going into the World Cup season.

I think I've seen enough from him to think he's got the ability to play for City, but that's not to say he'd walk into our team now.

Also, if he stays he will probably sign a new contract which will likely wipe out his current (rumoured) £55m release clause (something else Ahsan mentioned).
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If this guy has got a 55m release clause then it’s an absolute no brainer, I’ve not seen that mentioned anywhere else though?
 
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