PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[mexico1970]

If you only pay the player whilst he’s on duty for City they will be. Pannick isn’t getting £5k every hour of the day.

Fuckin' 'ell that's almost train driver money.

 

[Ysabel 123]

So all I’m reading is the outcome of City being found guilty, points deduction, thrown out of the premier league, titles being annulled. What I want to know is if City win what will be awarded for this witch hunt, 100m for compensation, extra 20 points for the following season and finally we get to choose who will be relegated.

Our owners would be to proud to take anything off them!

 

[Ysabel 123]

City ‘took a pinch’ before

Can’t see some of the most astute and ruthless businessmen on the planet, who have the ear of governments all over the world… sitting back and allowing such a small time organisation as the premier league to destroy a multi billion pound business by a stitch up

If push came to shove our owners could click their fingers and make this go away if it came to it and if they decided it was the only way it could be resolved

Thank you, Some sense at last. Our owners family invested £25 Billion in UK infrastructure 2 weeks ago. If you think that our Government will allow them to be called cheats in a UK court, think again.

 

[hammocity]

Thank you, Some sense at last. Our owners family invested £25 Billion in UK infrastructure 2 weeks ago. If you think that our Government will allow them to be called cheats in a UK court, think again.

Nice one, good info that.

 

[Ysabel 123]

I think he'd be paired with Jack....more ball retention, possession, control and less turnover risk.

Cancello at rb would also allow Rico to play in midfield more regularly where his speed of passing and mobility would be very useful.

Interesting situation.

You do know that Cancello was fucked off for a reason, after being our first choice, following an incident in training, then slagged Pep and the club off. (Bayern and Barca also didn't want him). But you want us to drop our captain and England's best ever right back for him?

So should Pep apologies to him in Portuguese or English?

 

[Oldham Exile]

You do know that Cancello was fucked off for a reason, after being our first choice, following an incident in training, then slagged Pep and the club off. (Bayern and Barca also didn't want him). But you want us to drop our captain and England's best ever right back for him?

So should Pep apologies to him in Portuguese or English?

Didn't realise that there was some 'actual' incident - I thought it was just his attitude that led to him gobbing off

Would it be OK to ask what it was? - the severity would determine if there was a way back

 

[nellyonthewing]

As the Season opens I really am struggling to raise any enthusiasm for it.
The shadow of this enquiry has sucked the joy out of football in general as it becomes apparent how deep the dislike of our club has penetrated the sport thanks to the the poisonous drip drip drip of media venom against us . Fans of the big 4 to the lowliest club giving us shit about how we stole all our trophies and should be condemned to the lower leagues. I speak to people I would consider rational human beings but they too have been brainwashed by the constant undermining of Manchester City FC.
We are the bastard prince never to be recognised for the power we fought for.
Only a total acquittal will clear our name and legacy - we know that is never going to happen and anything less will hang around us like a bad stink for years as all our achievements are forever tarnished by this campaign of hate.
We usurped the cartel and will never be forgiven .We challenged a corrupt system designed to protect them and throw clubs like City an occasional scrap from the top table,
I suspect we may have had to bend rules because there was no other way to force our way into a position to take on the mafia family of legacy clubs.
The media and the League are still their attack dogs and will never give us a moments peace.
So no forgive me for not being enthused at season 2024/5 and what we may or may not achieve.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Didn't realise that there was some 'actual' incident - I thought it was just his attitude that led to him gobbing off

Would it be OK to ask what it was? - the severity would determine if there was a way back

https://forums.bluemoon- cfc.co.uk/threads/joao-cancelo.361172/post-17392946

Click the link. It doesn't look right, but it is.

 

[give it to gordon]

As the Season opens I really am struggling to raise any enthusiasm for it.
The shadow of this enquiry has sucked the joy out of football in general as it becomes apparent how deep the dislike of our club has penetrated the sport thanks to the the poisonous drip drip drip of media venom against us . Fans of the big 4 to the lowliest club giving us shit about how we stole all our trophies and should be condemned to the lower leagues. I speak to people I would consider rational human beings but they too have been brainwashed by the constant undermining of Manchester City FC.
We are the bastard prince never to be recognised for the power we fought for.
Only a total acquittal will clear our name and legacy - we know that is never going to happen and anything less will hang around us like a bad stink for years as all our achievements are forever tarnished by this campaign of hate.
We usurped the cartel and will never be forgiven .We challenged a corrupt system designed to protect them and throw clubs like City an occasional scrap from the top table,
I suspect we may have had to bend rules because there was no other way to force our way into a position to take on the mafia family of legacy clubs.
The media and the League are still their attack dogs and will never give us a moments peace.
So no forgive me for not being enthused at season 2024/5 and what we may or may not achieve.

It's great isn't it !

CTID



Don't let the bastards grind you down.

 

[abu13]

Thank you, Some sense at last. Our owners family invested £25 Billion in UK infrastructure 2 weeks ago. If you think that our Government will allow them to be called cheats in a UK court, think again.

Not only cheats, if they find us guilty of the most serious charges they would be called fraudsters.

I have to admit that the longer this goes on the more I have this perverse hope that they do find us guilty, just to see the inevitable shit storm that it would produce. There is absolutely no way that our owners would just accept this.

And lets face it, no opposition fans or the media will ever truly accept our innocence.

Fuck them all.

 

[Plain Speaking]

https://forums.bluemoon- cfc.co.uk/threads/joao-cancelo.361172/post-17392946

Click the link. It doesn't look right, but it is.

That link doesn't work for me?

 

[hongkongblue]

As BamberBridgeBlue says, if there was evidence of criminal conduct, you might expect the Police to have figured in the process before now

That said, it is possible to allege conduct in disciplinary proceedings which would amount to a crime if pursued by the CPS in the Crown Court. In a criminal court that requires proof so that a jury is 'sure' that the wrongdoing occurred and the defendant was responsible.

The rule when alleging misconduct in disciplinary proceedings is that the party alleging wrongdoing proves its case on the balance of probabilities or, putting it another way, whether it is more likely than not that the wrongdoing occurred.

If the wrongdoing in a civil case amounts to a crime, the burden of proof remains proof on the balance of probabilities, i.e. is the court or tribunal satisfied to at least 51% that a case of wrongdoing has been made out by the party making the allegation

 

[bluealf]

That link doesn't work for me?

it is missing an m from mcfc in the link, it just says cfc

Joao Cancelo | Al Hilal Player

There were times (especially during the COVID Season) when the media praise for Cancelo seemed to far outweigh his actual achievements. I even remember Martin Keown waxing lyrical after a typically outrageous cross with the outside of his wrong foot. In truth there were 2-3 memorable assists and...

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

 

[FBBlue]

It's great isn't it !

CTID



Don't let the bastards grind you down.

I completely agree - I am starting to get really frustrated at the shit us fans are having to deal with … over a prolonged period of time. And you get very little back from the owners on this … I appreciate their position but sometimes it feels like they could do more to protect the fans.

 

[halfcenturyup]

it is missing an m from mcfc in the link, it just says cfc

Joao Cancelo | Al Hilal Player

There were times (especially during the COVID Season) when the media praise for Cancelo seemed to far outweigh his actual achievements. I even remember Martin Keown waxing lyrical after a typically outrageous cross with the outside of his wrong foot. In truth there were 2-3 memorable assists and...

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

:) It didn't look right and it wasn't.

 

[clarion]

They make us angry => we win titles.
OK for me.

 

[Gordyola]

Not a chance. Our media department bends over backwards for these bastards.

I know a solicitor that worked for City and when I asked why journalists and organisations weren't being sued or banned he said it's because our media department are friends with them all.

Not to keep the enemy close either.

Think they have a genuine belief that one day we might be praised the way the red shirts are.

I think your solicitor mate needs to go back to law school, in the vast majority of cases the journalists and organisations step up to the mark, not cross it as to what they can say. IF City chooses to sue them they would loose and, even if they won what would gained, a small three line apology on the inner pages that no one sees or reads. How much executive time would be wasted? With respect to banning them then City have a contract via the rights to provide for them to band they would have to have very good reason otherwise they would be in breach of other PL rules. Maybe would solicitor mate needs to reflect on why he USE to work for City?

 

[Gordyola]

Yep, all sadly predictable and City bingo in full swing.

We just have to accept the fact that we are universally despised. The smear campaigns have achieved their objectives.

Only if the universe is red and the muppets who inhabit it

 

[Saddleworth2]

Sean Connery had the correct idea:

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get these Premier League Cunts. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

 

[Zabbasbeard]

My feelings on this are exactly the same as they were before the latest round of media hit job pieces in the Athletic by the buck toothed rag and other outlets.

1. Etihad
I believe they have nothing but the emails and all of those (including the full run, so some not used by UEFA referred to by "Magic Twat" on X as some kind of silver bullet) are insufficient on their own to prove the actual conduct they partly infer took place. City and Etihad Bank statements, accounts and documents with additional testimony from senior management involved in the transactions of both parties, acting as rebuttal evidence, sufficiently prove the monies came from Etihad central funds and ADEC - NOT ADUG.
54 of the charges fail if the PL cannot prove this.

2. Etisalat
The subject of Piers Morgans' wet dream youtube programme and supposed mystery man and the loaned 30 million is a red herring. The monies are properly accounted for in everyone's expense and receivables (incoming and outgoing accounts) as a loan from an intermediary as a method of up front sponsorship payment when only pre contract agreements were in place. In any event without proof of fraud these will AGAIN be outside any limitation period. This time by the 6 year limitation applied by UK law, not 5 year UEFA rule.

3. Aabar / AD Tourist Board
Prior to the 2014 UEFA NDA sanction agreement (the pinch) these 2nd tier two sponsorships were alleged by UEFA to be above FMV. i believe also alleged by UEFA to be related parties. Whilst City are on record dissenting those UEFA opinions the sponsorship values were adjusted down and accepted going forward. Nothing to see here and no indication the PL are interested in either sponsorship value.

4. Fordham Ltd (image rights)
A temporary company vehicle created to generate approx 25 million income by the centralisation and purchase of player image rights from City when we desperately needed supplementary revenue. Like selling a hotel to yourself, it was creative accounting to generate income. There was no skullduggary it was a loophole we used to boost the coffers so as not to fail the 3 year deficit allowance. It was shut down subsequently and image rights given / sold back to club or players. HMRC seemed happy it wasn't used to evade tax as was the case at other clubs, so again, seemingly nothing to see here.

5. Mancini / Toure - remuneration
The PL have to prove that City did not declare the money paid to Mancini, 1.75 mill per annum, by the Abu Dhabi football club Al Jazeera Sports Cultural Club through Sparkleglow Ltd (a Mancini owned company) arranged by ADUG was part of his City remuneration package. If there are separate employment contracts whose obligations are agreed and met by both parties it is difficult to see how it can be proved by the PL. There also seems some confusion as to if the PL are trying to a) include this remuneration money as part of the charge of "failing to submit accurate fincial information" for those years it was paid up to 2013. Clearly it would appear these annual amounts, if proven to be such as alleged, would likely be insufficient to create a "false financial picture" of the accounts on their own.
Or b) simply imply it was omitted from Mancinis full salary declarations by City which is a breach of a current rule in the PL handbook but unsure if it breaches such a rule, if proven, from 2011- 2013.
The inclusion of Toure seems somewhat of an anomaly here and I'm unsure where the link to him comes from the list of PL charges. It seems to come from the media in the wake of the allegations however not all media outlets include Toure in any overview of the charges. Where he does appear it seems a generic inclusion in accusations of image rights payments although his agent, Seluk, like Mancini, deny both any wrongdoing or that they have been approached by the PL for either a statement or comments.
The whole thing seems a stretch by the PL and considering the sums involved in comparison to the main charges a spaghetti against the wall overreach.

6. None co-operation
Due to the seriousness of these charges City have quite rightly argued every point of law where doubt has arisen. For one, City appealed that the Independant Panel was not the appropriate venue for such serious matters to be decided. Although the courts have ruled against City in most, if not all our appeals, City have clearly laid a marker that they will not take any adverse decision lightly. However no appeal for court decisions can be deemed to be none co-operation. There are other Internet myths propagated by the likes of Simon Jordan that City appealed the inclusion of Murray Rosen on the panel as he is an Arsenal supporter and Season Ticket holder. Made all the more ridiculous by the fact that Citys primary advocate KC, Lord Pannick is also an Arsenal fan and supporter.
City say they have co-operated by the sheer volume of material supplied to the PL that rebutts their allegations but the details of alleged none co-operation by the PL are not listed and each (35 at least) will be argued out in front of the panel and it will be for them to decide such matters.
In any event if in some matters City have been none co-operative it will have been on legal advice for good reason and we would have to face the financial penalty for so doing. There is no sporting advantage from such breaches therefore no sporting sanction (points reduction etc) can be attributed to those charges.

So in summing up I am unmoved from my original position which I took some time ago that I am confident that the serious charges are unlikely to be proven and the other matters seem wishy washy at best. We'll all have to wait and see.
I believe our Chairman and Chief Exec when they say we've done nothing wrong.

If we come out of this relatively unscathed as I suspect, I want some fucking heads on sticks, starting with that **** Masters.
We should be relentless in going after media wankers who want to continue the no smoke without fire narrative. I'd like to see us make an example of a gobshite like Collymore or Aldridge even Goldbridge (yes you Brent) who can't keep their traps shut and think they are beyond reach.
This whole fiasco has been a media witchunt, an enormous smear campaign against the club and its fans over 10 years. Let's not get mad, let's get even!

Thank you for this comprehensive analysis. Heads on sticks indeed.