PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

manimanc said:
The Premier League never for a second thought these rules would be challenged. The top four was the top four, the red cartel held the monopoly, as far as the PL was concerned anybody buying a football club years ago was some local fan who had made their money and wanted to buy their boyhood club, everyone was happy.

Blackburn came and went quietly and didn't really do any damage, albeit the Premier League, or Premiership as it was known back then, was still in its infancy.

These powderpuff rules lay unchallenged for years, nobody, not even the red cartel, knew what they stood for nor did they have anybody in their ranks with enough knowledge to say hang on a minute, what exactly do these rules mean, they didn't need to be looked at as nobody posed a threat to anybody.

No rules got updated for decades. There was no FFP. Clubs could spend what they wanted. Nobody challenged the PL handbook.

Then we came along. All of a sudden FFP was brought in. The red cartel started getting twitchy. Rules got adjusted and distorted to keep teams in red happy. It started a long chain of events that has led us to today, every trick in the book has been used to keep us at arms length but we've had enough.

It makes the mind boggle that the Premier League are at war with teams in their own league, just saying it to myself sounds ridiculous but this is the red cartel acting through the fraud and the puppet that is Masters.
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bang on the money...but lets not forget UEFA had a hand in this..probably again cartel influenced with the addition of the spanish clubs and Bayern twisting their tit.
 
BamberBridgeBlue said:
Exactly this. The Premier League are having their strings pulled by the American owned clubs. Unless they get their way I see a breakaway European League which will be the start of Football being similar to Wrestling, Boxing and Darts with different competitions and governing bodies. Liverpool v Manchester City (as an example) might end up being in an annual unifying one off game.
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Exactly! The history of sporting schisms shows that before the final breakaway the preceeding years were full of interminable commercial disputes. It will take some highly competent people to resolve this shit show. With a cretin like Masters in such an important role there's no hope.
I would suggest once he's gone the CEO role should be a two year period only and contract renewal subject to member clubs (all 20) and IR approval.
 
jimharri said:
If you were offered an 11% increase at another company, for similar work, would you turn it down?


And you're wring; we only get 1k per hour on here. Plus hospitality tickets for any finals City get to.
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Next pay deal , go for a higher pay per hour . Fuck the hospitality off and join a supporters club to ensure you get tickets . hope when you buy them it’s not dynamic pricing .
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I agree with all you have said but its the last paragraph tht always puts seeds of doubt in my mind.

Would the premier league be so stupid to do this or are we indeed guilty?
Would the premier league hold a gun to its own head/brand just to curtail us? Or have we actually been cheating.
Would they level this against there best club without utter proof? On a whim?

I know the answer is a huge YES , but it still frazzles my tiny brain
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Does my head as well lol. But than I remember it's been done by American clubs and we know the American way of thinking. If you don't agree with America than they go to war against you. It's their way or no way.
So I can see Americans doing this in business as well. Americans don't like the way City are run so regardless of the law, American clubs will go to war against you.

Don't forget this is a country that puts the right to have a gun as the fore front of their politics. Plus a complete knobhead Trump in charge.

The Americans will destroy OUR football unless more clubs and fans wake up
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
Exactly! The history of sporting schisms shows that before the final breakaway the preceeding years were full of interminable commercial disputes. It will take some highly competent people to resolve this shit show. With a cretin like Masters in such an important role there's no hope.
I would suggest once he's gone the CEO role should be a two year period only and contract renewal subject to member clubs (all 20) and IR approval.
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It was always clear from Masters’ appointment that he was a compliant place-man. He pulled the trigger on the charges and authorised their “weaponised” publication. He and his backers doubtless thought “job done” - as in the manner of a Pontius Pilate they passed the matter over to the Independent Panel. Meanwhile during the intervening 18 months, the systematic, brutal trashing of City’s reputation and achievements was facilitated through various media campaigns and leaks. IMO they haven’t a hope of landing the serious charges, but that’s almost incidental now. They underestimated City’s resolve in the fight and due to the PL’s appallingly poor leadership, it is now lurching from crisis to crisis. I can’t believe the IR will allow a super league to happen either and I’m expecting a high body count at the PL with Masters at the top of the (hopefully large) pile.
 
slbsn said:
They don't have insurance. But what policy would pay for a regulatory complaint against a member club. Would be an odd/very niche product.

The PL doesn't have its own money. It takes funds from the revenue in to pay its costs and then passes money to the clubs. The PL is not funded by a third party.

To be fair, I don't think they ever envisaged a scenario where they would be simultaneously running multiple claims vs a number of its clubs all with budgets at the very top of English commercial disputes
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...because it's clear they didn't think the potential fallout through when instigating this whole bucket of headfuckery at the behest of their red shirt masters.

Any semi-decent CEO would have seen what could happen - the moment you begin to formalise proceedings, expect others to formalise things too...
...now, are you still prepared to.accept the consequences, or is this probably a very bad idea?
Business/HR 101.

Absolute fucking numpties.
 
give it to gordon said:
Does my head as well lol. But than I remember it's been done by American clubs and we know the American way of thinking. If you don't agree with America than they go to war against you. It's their way or no way.
So I can see Americans doing this in business as well. Americans don't like the way City are run so regardless of the law, American clubs will go to war against you.

Don't forget this is a country that puts the right to have a gun as the fore front of their politics. Plus a complete knobhead Trump in charge.

The Americans will destroy OUR football unless more clubs and fans wake up
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American sports like NFL & MLB have wage caps, share parts of the league revenue (such as income from kit deals, merchandising), and limit debt. The teams keep revenue from hospitality. Also there's no CL equivalent and getting to the post-season, even winning the World Series or Superbowl brings little financial benefit.

In the NFL the Dallas Cowboys are by far the wealthiest team, with the highest revenue, but the cap limits how much they can spend on the team. That means their profit and therefore payback to the owners, is huge, but they've won nothing for years.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I agree with all you have said but its the last paragraph tht always puts seeds of doubt in my mind.

Would the premier league be so stupid to do this or are we indeed guilty?
Would the premier league hold a gun to its own head/brand just to curtail us? Or have we actually been cheating.
Would they level this against there best club without utter proof? On a whim?

I know the answer is a huge YES , but it still frazzles my tiny brain
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The PL have just lost an appeal through a pretty glaring fuck up so don't question their stupidity.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I agree with all you have said but its the last paragraph tht always puts seeds of doubt in my mind.

Would the premier league be so stupid to do this or are we indeed guilty?
Would the premier league hold a gun to its own head/brand just to curtail us? Or have we actually been cheating.
Would they level this against there best club without utter proof? On a whim?

I know the answer is a huge YES , but it still frazzles my tiny brain
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Ask yourself if there is any precedent for that sort of behaviour. At UEFA, for example.
 
supercity88 said:
There are reports he was being paid nearly £8k an hour on previous jobs for people with deep pockets. I wouldn't be surprised with City agreeing a slightly higher hourly rate in order to further incentivise him. Explains why we had a fairly quiet summer when you're paying De Bruyne level wages to a third party!
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The good thing is that MCFC don’t pay a penny. CFG pay the legal costs, presumably on the grounds that they are entitled to defend their major asset.
 
give it to gordon said:
Does my head as well lol. But than I remember it's been done by American clubs and we know the American way of thinking. If you don't agree with America than they go to war against you. It's their way or no way.
So I can see Americans doing this in business as well. Americans don't like the way City are run so regardless of the law, American clubs will go to war against you.

Don't forget this is a country that puts the right to have a gun as the fore front of their politics. Plus a complete knobhead Trump in charge.

The Americans will destroy OUR football unless more clubs and fans wake up
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Pure rubbish! You know not what you speak.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
It was always clear from Masters’ appointment that he was a compliant place-man. He pulled the trigger on the charges and authorised their “weaponised” publication. He and his backers doubtless thought “job done” - as in the manner of a Pontius Pilate they passed the matter over to the Independent Panel. Meanwhile during the intervening 18 months, the systematic, brutal trashing of City’s reputation and achievements was facilitated through various media campaigns and leaks. IMO they haven’t a hope of landing the serious charges, but that’s almost incidental now. They underestimated City’s resolve in the fight and due to the PL’s appallingly poor leadership, it is now lurching from crisis to crisis. I can’t believe the IR will allow a super league to happen either and I’m expecting a high body count at the PL with Masters at the top of the (hopefully large) pile.
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I wonder if we could bring a charge against Masters of failing to act in utmost good faith when this witch-hunt finally collapses.

But that requirement only seems to apply when we're the alleged perpetrators, rather than being the victims.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I wonder if we could bring a charge against Masters of failing to act in utmost good faith when this witch-hunt finally collapses.

But that requirement only seems to apply when we're the alleged perpetrators, rather than being the victims.
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You have to ask yourself what the text, email, WhatsApp disclosure threw up. I would really like to see that :)
 
Lord Blue said:
did we really get anything back from that and did it really happen do we know?
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We have no way of knowing but I refer to this post of @petrusha when I think of this:

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City. What about the non-cooperation charges ? If we were able to show that the PLs enquiry was not fair and independent and was being driven by certain clubs or that it was...
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Man_City_Loyal said:
Genuinely would love to know what the other clubs said when it was found out that Masters had been sounded out by Liverpool and United.

He met them didn't he?
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Seemingly nothing of consequence when thinking about the way things have gone since his appointment.

The redshirt cabal were in favour of having Masters as their pet lapdog to do their bidding.

And the " less important " clubs were happy to be in the PL and pick up the money , but maybe now seeing the folly of that with the P&SR hitting them where it hurts.
 
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