The Labour Government

[Brewster's millions]

They did, vast majority of pensioners don’t need this and it’s a big step in reducing 22 billion black hole. They wouldn’t want to have made this decision and knew full well the backlash, better to get the tough decisions away early in a political reign.

What a stooge.

All you’re missing there is a reference to ‘maxing out the credit card’, or perhaps you could parrot the clueless Lucy Powell’s ludicrous claims about investors losing confidence in the gilt market had the WFA not been removed.

All obvious lies, but you seem strangely keen to repeat them all on here.

 

[frothy]

Perhaps I am - but I will allow Labour a couple of years to see how things are panning out - won’t scream and cry over every policy they announce.

I’m reasonably balanced and a centre leaning voter.

So it's ok to let pensioners just over the cut off point to suffer for a couple winters, while you see how it pans out

 

[mancityvstoke]

So it's ok to let pensioners just over the cut off point to suffer for a couple winters, while you see how it pans out

Some complete nobs on here these days

 

[hcblue95]

I don't agree with reducing pensioner's benefits. I don't agree with austerity and don't like Reeves and Starmer's red Tory Labour party.

I do find it funny all the Tories in here crying about austerity when you cheered it on for years though.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I don't agree with reducing pensioner's benefits. I don't agree with austerity and don't like Reeves and Starmer's red Tory Labour party.

I do find it funny all the Tories in here crying about austerity when you cheered it on for years though.

We are not all tories though nor did we cheer on fucking austerity

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The slimy cunts who voted for the cut but in the mean time have been claiming a heating allowance for their second homes should just resign

Horrible bastards most politicians

This is the kind of hypocrisy that you'd find on a regular basis within the Palace of Westminster. One of my erstwhile MP's donated a fiver to the RBL and then claimed it back on his expenses. And since that time of cleaning some of the shite out of the system the expenses claimed by MP's are now costing us more! I would like to see how many MPs have to dip into their salaries and how much of their 'food, clothing 'n shelter' costs end up as 'expenses'!

 

[Hertzblue]

4,000 by their own estimation!

 

[hcblue95]

We are not all tories though nor did we cheer on fucking austerity

Then my post won't be aimed at you.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

They did, vast majority of pensioners don’t need this and it’s a big step in reducing 22 billion black hole. They wouldn’t want to have made this decision and knew full well the backlash, better to get the tough decisions away early in a political reign.

Vast majority? 70%? More? Never a vast majority. 10m got the WFP, now down to 1m. That 9m not getting it, and I would suggest half of those could manage without it. So I calculate that's 4.5m who could manage coming off, which turns out to be a minority.

 

[metalblue]

because they did it for a laugh and want old people to freeze ?

Or because the energy cap is £200 less than last year, Pensions have risen £900 this year, likely to rise £460 a year next year, vast majority of pensioners have at least one income source in addition to the state pension and those who don't are being urged by ministers to apply for pension credit.

Age UK say 2 million pensioners are going to struggle as a result of this policy. Did it for a laugh? No. Didn’t think it through? Yes, and that is just as bad a dereliction of their duty in my book.

The first serious crime committed by a released prisoner and the first pensioner to die of hypothermia due to heating poverty and all hell is going to break lose. These are both logical policies in principle but very poorly planned and executed. I hope you’re ready with your sound bite answers because it will happen and this government will have blood on their hands.

 

[blue for life]

I don't agree with reducing pensioner's benefits. I don't agree with austerity and don't like Reeves and Starmer's red Tory Labour party.

I do find it funny all the Tories in here crying about austerity when you cheered it on for years though.

Yes they are total hypocrites

 

[metalblue]

Vast majority? 70%? More? Never a vast majority. 10m got the WFP, now down to 1m. That 9m not getting it, and I would suggest half of those could manage without it. So I calculate that's 4.5m who could manage coming off, which turns out to be a minority.

I can see his counter argument once we get through the winter and we count the human cost. Yeah but the vast majority of pensioners didn’t die. The clown.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Age UK say 2 million pensioners are going to struggle as a result of this policy. Did it for a laugh? No. Didn’t think it through? Yes, and that is just as bad a dereliction of their duty in my book.

The first serious crime committed by a released prisoner and the first pensioner to die of hypothermia due to heating poverty and all hell is going to break lose. These are both logical policies in principle but very poorly planned and executed. I hope you’re ready with your sound bite answers because it will happen and this government will have blood on their hands.

Usual hyperbole.

There’s around 35,000 deaths a year due to hyperthermia- figure will be around the same very sadly regardless of this policy - Labour will take steps to mitigate this and help the most vulnerable.

As for released prisoners, Prisons at max capacity that’s on the Tory party and everyone knows that - Another service they destroyed and Labour left picking up the pieces - they had no choice but to take action and free up space for current convicts.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's just come to light that in the past 5 years, Rachel Thieves has claimed £3,700 in heating allowances for herself, before stiffing people on £12k/year or less out of £300. Fine upstanding individual that she is.

Martin Lewis' hatchet job on the shameful canning of a universal WFA, is quite interesting. Aparently around 800,000 people are eligible for pension credit but don't claim it. By definition, these people are on less than £11,400 per year.

Already, considering energy costs and not getting the £300 per household benefit that everyone got last year, people are £200 worse off this winter compared to last. Take off the £300 WFA and they are £500 worse off.

But the really damaging thing is that there is no way a large percentage of that 800,000 can get pension credit before winter. Even if they all applied, which most of them won't/can't for whatever reason - dementia or whatever.

So people on LESS THAN £11,400 are having £500 taken off them.

Did ANYONE in the UK vote for, or even expect this? It's absolutely utterly disgusting.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Yes <conservatives> are total hypocrites

Whereas Labour are not? What a joke.

 

[metalblue]

Usual hyperbole.

There’s around 35,000 deaths a year due to hyperthermia- figure will be around the same very sadly regardless of this policy - Labour will take steps to mitigate this and help the most vulnerable.

As for released prisoners, Prisons at max capacity that’s on the Tory party and everyone knows that - Another service they destroyed and Labour left picking up the pieces - they had no choice but to take action and free up space for current convicts.

As I said I can understand the logic but the planning is beyond shocking.

WFA should have been removed from those who don’t need it. Not those that do as well. Poorly planned.

70% of prisoners that have been released are homeless with no probation support due to a lack of notice and planning.

Both problems are a lack of planning, what’s the expression… fail to plan and plan to fail?

Anyroad you sleep nice and cosy in your Starmer duvet lad. Absolute fan boy.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It's just come to light that in the past 5 years, Rachel Thieves has claimed £3,700 in heating allowances for herself, before stiffing people on £12k/year or less out of £300. Fine upstaning individual that she is.

Martin Lewis' hatchet job on the shameful canning of a universal WFA, is quite interesting. Aparently around 800,000 people are eligible for pension credit but don't claim it. By definition, these people are on less than £11,400 per year.

Already, considering energy costs and not getting the £300 per household benefit that everyone got last year, people are £200 worse off this winter compared to last. Take off the £300 WFA and they are £500 worse off.

But the really damaging thing is that there is no way a large percentage of that 800,000 can get pension credit before winter. Even if they all applied, which most of them won't/can't for whatever reason - dementia or whatever.

So people on LESS THAN £11,400 are having £500 taken off them.

Did ANYONE in the UK vote for, or even expect this? It's absolutely utterly disgusting.

One political shade of hypocrisy doesn't preclude another. MPs have shown for the last forty or fifty years they are grasping, greedy, self serving hypocrites who could win a gold medal at any Olympics for Glib Speaking.

 

[Chippy_boy]

As I said I can understand the logic but the planning is beyond shocking.

WFA should have been removed from those who don’t need it. Not those that do as well. Poorly planned.

70% of prisoners that have been released are homeless with no probation support due to a lack of notice and planning.

Both problems are a lack of planning, what’s the expression… fail to plan and plan to fail?

Anyroad you sleep nice and cosy in your Starmer duvet lad. Absolute fan boy.

I agree with that, apart from the need to remove WFA from those who don't need it.

By definition, the people who don't need it, pay a lot of tax. What is the harm of saying to someone who's paid say £50,000 in tax, that they can have £200 back. So they have only paid net £49,800 instead of £50,000. Is that terrible? Doesn't sound terrible to me. Sounds like a bit of an irrelevance to be honest.

The advantage of NOT means testing the benefit is that it is cheap to administer it. As soon as you means test anything you lose a big chunk of any savings in administration costs.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I could not figure out why on earth Starmer and Reeves would have even considering removing WFA.

And then the penny dropped. They figured most pensioners don't vote Labour, so they could stiff them with minimal votes lost.

 

[maxwellblue]

It's just come to light that in the past 5 years, Rachel Thieves has claimed £3,700 in heating allowances for herself, before stiffing people on £12k/year or less out of £300. Fine upstanding individual that she is.

Martin Lewis' hatchet job on the shameful canning of a universal WFA, is quite interesting. Aparently around 800,000 people are eligible for pension credit but don't claim it. By definition, these people are on less than £11,400 per year.

Already, considering energy costs and not getting the £300 per household benefit that everyone got last year, people are £200 worse off this winter compared to last. Take off the £300 WFA and they are £500 worse off.

But the really damaging thing is that there is no way a large percentage of that 800,000 can get pension credit before winter. Even if they all applied, which most of them won't/can't for whatever reason - dementia or whatever.

So people on LESS THAN £11,400 are having £500 taken off them.

Did ANYONE in the UK vote for, or even expect this? It's absolutely utterly disgusting.

But, but, but, there's a 22 billion black hole to fill