The Labour Government

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Half of the £22 billion is down to public sector pay rises that were recommended by Independent pay review bodies (set up by the Government to advise on the pay increase that public workers need / should get) . If only the Tories had honoured this ...
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We'd have got wrong sooner.

You've obviously never come across the concept of only being able to spend what you can afford.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Let's all be honest here, taking away winter fuel payments for pensioners is a shit trick, there is no other way to categorise this action. Punishing Labour MPs who abstained or voted against the change is just wrong.

Also in other news, Labour sign the death knell for new steel production in the UK. A sad day indeed. I would have preferred nationalisation and steel import duties, now we will be reliant on other countries for new steel production. All done under the guise of reducing green house gas emissions. Which is utter nonsense when we will now have to import new steel made in blast furnaces from other countries.
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Ed Sillyband with his idiotic, let's cripple the economy to reduce WW CO2 emissions by 1%, is the most dangerous **** of the lot.
 
mosssideblue said:
No, they hit everyone inc pensioners by allowing the country to go to rat shit and having no idea how to turn it around
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They were cunts. As I've said in other posts labour using that as an excuse to be cunts to pensioners doesn't make it right.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Tata is actually Indian owned not Chineese, you could at least get the basics right?

Nationalise the Port Talbot facility when Tata walks away without a penny of tax payer subsidy. Then bring in steel import tariffs to level the field.

I thought it was obvious, why did you not understand that from my initial post?
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Please keep up

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British Steel (2016–present) - Wikipedia

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metalblue said:
Except queues at supermarkets, they can be blamed for them. Never find owt when they get to the till. Not that they’ll be able to afford to go to the supermarket anymore, might go for a bit of warmth
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Have you been in a supermarket lately? Fucking freezing with all those chillers.
 
Steel production surely has to be of national critical importance. Both governments has stated this in the past. Now it's just been binned. What's nearly as annoying is the complete lack of understanding of what we are actually losing when this is being reported by the likes of the BBC and the other national media organisations.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Steel production surely has to be of national critical importance. Both governments has stated this in the past. Now it's just been binned. What's nearly as annoying is the complete lack of understanding of what we are actually losing when this is being reported by the likes of the BBC and the other national media organisations.
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It was binned when the Tories allowed it to be sold off for £1 to a foreign nation .... we can no longer produce our own material to make ships / tanks etc


What a mess
 
Chippy_boy said:
Mathematically correct perhaps (I don't know) but almost certainly not correct in reality since a very large proportion of that group would I am sure, decide not to pay it. Since tax for people that well off is pretty much a voluntary thing, and if they feel the rates are too high, they just move things around so they don't have to pay.
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HMRC already know who the majority of these people are, quite simply you dont give them time to "move things around". Dont pay, liquidate their known assets in the same way as they would other people.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Steel production surely has to be of national critical importance. Both governments has stated this in the past. Now it's just been binned. What's nearly as annoying is the complete lack of understanding of what we are actually losing when this is being reported by the likes of the BBC and the other national media organisations.
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They are building electric arc furnaces aren’t they? I’d rather they keep some primary steel too but it’s not being binned completely and we’ve got a surplus of steel for recycling.
 
meltonblue said:
They are building electric arc furnaces aren’t they? I’d rather they keep some primary steel too but it’s not being binned completely and we’ve got a surplus of steel for recycling.
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Electric Arc Furnaces don't make high grade steel as you state they just recycle scrap steel. The steel simply isn't as good. If we all have surplus steel why are all the other G14 nations keeping their blast furnace capacity?

The only other blast Furnace is at Scunthorpe and there are advanced plans to close that aswell. So we will lose all primary steel making capacity.
 
city2 said:
Time we had a AI government programmed to answer questions honestly , they would need no expenses , no heating allowances, no second homes, no eating and drinking allowances, no daily payments for turning up to go to sleep, no private jets, no ministerial cars, winner winner black hole fixed.
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Since there’s no political party out there for me or people like me at all, I’d vote for that in an instant.

‘Labour’ (fake-Labour, not-Labour, whatever name would be more appropriate for them) are already showing more of the same as what’s gone before. Going after the wrong people, cronyism, laughably hypocritical ideas, doing things they would have lambasted the Conservatives for doing… when these first few months should have been a breeze for them after that last lot that were in power. They didn’t need to do anything big at all until the budget, why did they make the Winter fuel allowance thing such a big deal so early on?*
But they seem to have gone out of their way to piss everyone off!


*when that sort of thing happens in politics, it’s usually because they’re doing something abhorrent in the background and making a big story out of something else to draw everyone’s attention away from the even shitter thing they’re doing on the sly. Been the same with every Labour and Conservative government for decades. Wonder what it is!
 
meltonblue said:
They are building electric arc furnaces aren’t they? I’d rather they keep some primary steel too but it’s not being binned completely and we’ve got a surplus of steel for recycling.
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I really wonder if any of the public actually did science at school. You are absolutely correct, you cant make primary steel without a blast furnace and there are certain types of specialist steel that arc furnaces are unable to produce.

Not long ago everyone realised how precarious international supply chains were when Covid hit, but it seems to have been quickly forgotten. In an unstable world retaining even just a token percentage of your ability to manufacture from raw materials could make all the difference.
 
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