PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

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abu13 said:
Well, it finally happened to me today.

After playing football on a Sunday as normal the conversation switch to the Arsenal game this afternoon, just the usual good natured banter about who would win and so on, The one Rag threw in the "doesnt matter anyway once you cheating cunts get thrown out of the league" Now we have all heard this before but this time is was said with some venom and not at all meant as banter. There were a few comments back and forth and others suddenly jumped in as well. Within a minute I was facing a full on rant from 3 people with genuine anger aimed towards me. Now these are lads that I have known for years, not close mates but friends none the less. It was very close to coming to blows at one point and it was a very uncomfortable experience for me.

It does make me fear for what will happen should be be cleared of these breaches, there are a lot of very angry people out there who aren't going to be happy should it go in our favour.
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laugh In the cunts faces. I don’t associate with rags or scousers anyway. Fortunately my mates are either blues or some other team, so I feel for you guys. Just say we will cheat your club out of more trophies and laugh, fuck um the pussys.
 
I am curious how does everyone explain what’s going on or not going on at other clubs Chelsea United Liverpool etc strange transfer dealings sales of assets allowances Covid and sale to Jim and fake stadium.

I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist and it’s all be signed off and United are on the stock exchange but it cannot be right. What would you say to other fans about these ?
 
abu13 said:
Well, it finally happened to me today.

After playing football on a Sunday as normal the conversation switch to the Arsenal game this afternoon, just the usual good natured banter about who would win and so on, The one Rag threw in the "doesnt matter anyway once you cheating cunts get thrown out of the league" Now we have all heard this before but this time is was said with some venom and not at all meant as banter. There were a few comments back and forth and others suddenly jumped in as well. Within a minute I was facing a full on rant from 3 people with genuine anger aimed towards me. Now these are lads that I have known for years, not close mates but friends none the less. It was very close to coming to blows at one point and it was a very uncomfortable experience for me.

It does make me fear for what will happen should be be cleared of these breaches, there are a lot of very angry people out there who aren't going to be happy should it go in our favour.
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You should just stand up for what you believe and make it clear this is a smear campaign and the corrupt epl's case against us is a sham and our innocence will be undeniably proven - so basically fuk on that guys.

Did the same in barbers in north London yesterday. Gooners were agreeing with me in the end! Didnt have much choice really think they saw how passionate I was about it:)
 
Norbiton said:
Most people reading it won’t know the issues relating to our sponsorships and that the fair value of the Etihad contract has never been challenged. So from Ronay’s article they would be led to believe that funds were being found to top up the Etihad agreement rather than pay part of it, thus giving us more revenue than we were declaring. Ronay doesn’t actually claim that the extra funds came from our owner, but fails to point out that, if that is the case, we haven’t been disguising equity as sponsorship and haven’t broken any rules.
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The fella is a ****
 
slbsn said:
I agree. The only other issue I think the PL witnesses may be important is if the PL deny knowledge of certain matters at the time. That is likely to be clear in the documents but if not, say, City's witness say they were discussed orally and the PL says they have no record of such a discussion, then some witness cross examination may be necessary. I'd say quite difficult to see how Masters has any meaningful evidence at all on the substantive matters. So PL witnesses (aside from expert witnesses) are largely a red herring.

NB: Masters did give a witness statement for Everton on the points recommendation from the PL's standpoint so that may be relevant but it is unlikely a) for this initial IC b) something for cross examination - it is more a submission by the PL.
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Given the historical nature of all of the charges the individuals concerned were Garry Cook and Richard Scudamore (1999-2018), so nothing to do with Masters. Scudamore used to attend multiple games every season during his tenure. I saw him there. So what if City execs had discussions with Scudamore about eg Fordham/Toure or Mancini ?. And what if City were given informal, off the record tacit approval by Scudamore ? Today that seems highly irregular/improbable and unprofessional but this was before the relationship between City and PL deteriorated into nothing. If the PL are arguing concealment on theese issues then surely they would have to demand Scudamore is cross examined.

Eg. :"Mr Scudamore on dd/mm/2012 do you recall a meeting at the Ethihad stadium where you discussed the Fordham Image Rights scheme with City execs ....."

The point is there was NO concealment, so Time Barred. The super confident stance by the City execs can not be all just a front, a PR policy, they must know something that is very significant but remains outside the public domain.

And on the subject of emails, how could the PL object to handing over ever single of one Scudamore's and Master's premierleague.com archive ? The entire PL case, as far as we know, is on based on interpretation and extrapolation of City's emails. So how would that look to the IC if they refuse to hand over the PL emails ?, especially if any of their allegations are about concealment.

This saga is not THE CROWN v MCFC, it's a commercial contractual dispute and it is perfectly reasonable that the PL should hand over the email archive of their executive.
 
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BLUE THUNDER said:
It is absolutely “hate” with Levy. He has a strong dislike for us, that goes without saying. Not just for commercial reasons.
And, I know for a fact, he truly hates the Saudis buying Newcastle.
He’s a despicable ****.
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His levy Jewish maybe that’s why there’s so much hate for our owners fuck him is team is shit
 
abu13 said:
Well, it finally happened to me today.

After playing football on a Sunday as normal the conversation switch to the Arsenal game this afternoon, just the usual good natured banter about who would win and so on, The one Rag threw in the "doesnt matter anyway once you cheating cunts get thrown out of the league" Now we have all heard this before but this time is was said with some venom and not at all meant as banter. There were a few comments back and forth and others suddenly jumped in as well. Within a minute I was facing a full on rant from 3 people with genuine anger aimed towards me. Now these are lads that I have known for years, not close mates but friends none the less. It was very close to coming to blows at one point and it was a very uncomfortable experience for me.

It does make me fear for what will happen should be be cleared of these breaches, there are a lot of very angry people out there who aren't going to be happy should it go in our favour.
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Should just ignore him mate.

I had some rag no mark in the shop just start chatting shit to me about the charges. He thought he was a clever **** in front of his girly but you know what I did? Totally ignored the prick. I completely blanked him, made him look like he was talking to himself. Didn't even make eye contact with him.
Oh he looked a proper plonka. I just walked off laughing to myself whilst he got himself into a fluster.

I find it really odd that these red mardarses want to confront us blues like they know us. Really I wanted to kick fuck out if him but I know silence winds them up further.
Can't wait for the next cry arse to try and get a rise out of me.
 
WRicko said:
I am curious how does everyone explain what’s going on or not going on at other clubs Chelsea United Liverpool etc strange transfer dealings sales of assets allowances Covid and sale to Jim and fake stadium.

I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist and it’s all be signed off and United are on the stock exchange but it cannot be right. What would you say to other fans about these ?
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Utd's UEFA FFP? Fined after UEFA disallowed the 40 million COVID costs. Not UEFA's fault it was ignored by the press.

Utd's PL FFP? 40 million COVID costs would have been reviewed at a high level. I think the costs have to be audited. Nothing really to see here unless you believe in conspiracy.

Utd's share costs? Same as above, would have been reviewed at a high level and audited presumably. They shouldn't have been included in the club's accounts anyway, but I can't see any rule for allowing them as deductible costs. Bit weird.

Liverpool hacking? Settled between the parties.

Liverpool 50 mill Stanley Park costs? Again, would have been reviewed at high level and probably audited. Seems way too high, though. Also a bit weird.

Chelsea off-books payments? Being investigated. It takes the PL a while, bless them.

Chelsea asset sales? No rule against it in the PL so accepted, but will be disallowed by UEFA. But stupid of the PL. Surprise, not.

Strange player sales at year end? Will be reviewed for arm's length under the threshold payment rules but not sure the PL has the strength for more conflict. Threatened with "good faith" rule, but Leicester ruling may scupper that. Anyway, we will see when the accounts for 2023/24 are reviewed by the PL.

Did I miss anything?
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
Given the historical nature of all of the charges the individuals concerned were Garry Cook and Richard Scudamore (1999-2018), so nothing to do with Masters. Scudamore used to attend multiple games every season during his tenure. I saw him there. So what if City execs had discussions with Scudamore about eg Fordham/Toure or Mancini ?. And what if City were given informal, off the record tacit approval by Scudamore ? Today that seems highly irregular/improbable and unprofessional but this was before the relationship between City and PL deteriorated into nothing. If the PL are arguing concealment on theese issues then surely they would have to demand Scudamore is cross examined.

Eg. :"Mr Scudamore on dd/mm/2012 do you recall a meeting at the Ethihad stadium where you discussed the Fordham Image Rights scheme with City execs ....."

The point is there was NO concealment, so Time Barred. The super confident stance by the City execs can not be all just a front, a PR policy, they must know something that is very significant but remains outside the public domain.

And on the subject of emails, how could the PL object to handing over ever single of one Scudamore's and Master's premierleague.com archive ? The entire PL case, as far as we know, is on based on interpretation and extrapolation of City's emails. So how would that look to the IC if they refuse to hand over the PL emails ?, especially if any of their allegations are about concealment.

This saga is not THE CROWN v MCFC, it's a commercial contractual dispute and it is perfectly reasonable that the PL should hand over the email archive of their executive.
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We agree re Masters. But on disclosure, it is simply not how it works. Ultimately, it is safe to assume that the IC would have dealt with any disputes over disclosure at case management hearings over the last few years so by the time we get to the hearing there is nothing to infer. But there are likely to be few disagreements that go to the IC to decide.

I’d also assume the PL case is more than extrapolation of emails.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Utd's UEFA FFP? Fined after UEFA disallowed the 40 million COVID costs. Not UEFA's fault it was ignored by the press.

Utd's PL FFP? 40 million COVID costs would have been reviewed at a high level. I think the costs have to be audited. Nothing really to see here unless you believe in conspiracy.

Utd's share costs? Same as above, would have been reviewed at a high level and audited presumably. They shouldn't have been included in the club's accounts anyway, but I can't see any rule for allowing them as deductible costs. Bit weird.

Liverpool hacking? Settled between the parties.

Liverpool 50 mill Stanley Park costs? Again, would have been reviewed at high level and probably audited. Seems way too high, though. Also a bit weird.

Chelsea off-books payments? Being investigated. It takes the PL a while, bless them.

Chelsea asset sales? No rule against it in the PL so accepted, but will be disallowed by UEFA. But stupid of the PL. Surprise, not.

Strange player sales at year end? Will be reviewed for arm's length under the threshold payment rules but not sure the PL has the strength for more conflict. Threatened with "good faith" rule, but Leicester ruling may scupper that. Anyway, we will see when the accounts for 2023/24 are reviewed by the PL.

Did I miss anything?
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If a club’s costs are allowed by the PL but not by UEFA, and they are consequently fined by UEFA, does that mean that the PL should then sanction the club for not complying with UEFA FFP rules?
After all, aren’t 5 of our charges for not complying with UEFA FFP rules?
 
There will be many rumours surrounding the 'trial', like the cease and disist letters. Ignore them. Several people at the club aside, nobody really knows what's happening.

Those who are highly optimistic or pessimistic are probably wrong. I think we'll get punished (say, for non-cooperation), but not seriously enough to make our rivals happy. My guess is they will be disappointed. But, again, nobody really knows.
 
johncity said:
His levy Jewish maybe that’s why there’s so much hate for our owners fuck him is team is shit
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Yes Levy is Jewish and so is Joe Lewis the "de facto" owner of the Enic group and Tottenham. His (Lewis) family are named as owners but that is probably because Joe Lewis was convicted by a US court of multiple counts of insider trading yet got off with probation and a $5million dollar fine. So much for them for being the fine upstanding clubs they are purportedly to be. Yet the PL see Lewis as a "fit and proper" owner and see our club as deceitful, conniving, cheating bastards. Yet the real conniving, deceitful and cheating bastards are owning Tottenham.

On the other hand City and their owners have worked with the late Sir Howard Bernstein, who was Jewish, to regenerate the area surrounding the Etihad from a socially and economically deprived area of the City to a thriving residential and business area bringing much needed jobs and money to the area. No anti-semitic attitudes from our owners, just them working together in partnership. But nothing is mentioned about that in the main stream media. That is conveniently forgotten and the narrative is that we're fraudulent cheating bastards who need to be destroyed "for the good of the game".

So yes there maybe a anti-arabian agenda being played by the PL and certain clubs but that will be difficult to prove. But there is a foul smell of it being the case.
 
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I'm glad Khaldoon was there to see the game where the Arse showed their true colours on and off the pitch. It will strengthen his resolve to ensure City are exonerated and our success continues unabated.

The game was a skirmish that he, Pep and the players will not forget as a reminder of what they are up against - if it was ever needed.
 
bigA said:
Yes Levy is Jewish and so is Joe Lewis the "de facto" owner of the Enic group and Tottenham. His (Lewis) family are named as owners but that is probably because Joe Lewis was convicted by a US court of multiple counts of insider trading yet got off with probation and a $5million dollar fine. So much for them for being the fine upstanding clubs they are purportedly to be. Yet the PL see Lewis as a "fit and proper" owner and see our club as deceitful, conniving, cheating bastards. Yet the real conniving, deceitful and cheating bastards are owning Tottenham. So yes there maybe a anti-arabian agenda being played by the PL and certain clubs but that will be difficult to prove.

On the other hand City and their owners have worked with the late Sir Howard Bernstein, who was Jewish, to regenerate the area surrounding the Etihad from a socially and economically deprived area of the City to a thriving residential and business area bringing much needed jobs and money to the area. No anti-semitic attitudes from our owners, just them working together in partnership. But nothing is mentioned about that in the main stream media. That is conveniently forgotten and the narrative is that we're fraudulent cheating bastards who need to be destroyed "for the good of the game".

So yes there maybe an anti-arabian agenda being played by the PL and certain clubs but that will be difficult to prove. But there is a foul smell of it being the case.
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Sectarian hatred has played its part in the campaign against City. There is an anti-Arab element among some club Directors. I have personally witnessed this on occasions. JW Henry’s nickname for Soriano was “the terrorist.” I know Soriano is not of Arab origin but you get the drift.
 
abu13 said:
Well, it finally happened to me today.

After playing football on a Sunday as normal the conversation switch to the Arsenal game this afternoon, just the usual good natured banter about who would win and so on, The one Rag threw in the "doesnt matter anyway once you cheating cunts get thrown out of the league" Now we have all heard this before but this time is was said with some venom and not at all meant as banter. There were a few comments back and forth and others suddenly jumped in as well. Within a minute I was facing a full on rant from 3 people with genuine anger aimed towards me. Now these are lads that I have known for years, not close mates but friends none the less. It was very close to coming to blows at one point and it was a very uncomfortable experience for me.

It does make me fear for what will happen should be be cleared of these breaches, there are a lot of very angry people out there who aren't going to be happy should it go in our favour.
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you should of done it. Will soon shut them up
 
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