PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Agreed about the proof. Seems to me the PL won't have had access during the investigation to the external information they need and won't have access to it in front of the panel, at least not in the form they would need it, to prove the serious allegations even if the club did do what is alleged.
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reading between lines they hope to discredit witnesses or one or more senior figures not showing up as all aged a few year since CAS
 
M18CTID said:
Jordan back to being a **** again and peddling conspiracy theories about the panel. I’d also like him to explain what the inconsistencies were in the witness statements given to CAS.
How Stefan manages to keep so calm in the face of such confrontational bullshit is beyond me!
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isnt he claiming another stolen email miraculouly turned up after CAS saying something other than witness statment
 
supercity88 said:
It's really hard to judge in this case, because whilst it's playing out behind closed doors there's immense public scrutiny. Any settlement is a sign of weakness from the PL and an admission of guilt from City. And without knowing what that was it's hard to make a true judgement. There could be a number of commercial reasons why City couldn't rather than wouldn't accept a settlement - in terms of an admission of guilt. And you'd expect the PL, aware of the optics, would have offered something that had a substantial impact on our chances of success this season.

There doesn't appear to be much difference with what's on the table here in terms of charges, and what UEFA levelled at us. And it's always positive to have case law, or in this instance, the CAS verdict, to quote and utilise as part of our defence this time around. I don't believe there's anything additional the PL have other than the hacked emails, although I could be wrong.

If you're turning up to an independent panel with the same accusations, even if rules and legislation differ, it's helpful as I said to point to the CAS verdict and provide their opinion on inflated sponsorships/sources of income etc.

I just cannot see the club settling regardless of what was on the table, when the public perception is that we're guilty. That might not change even with a "win" at the independent panel in terms of your social media content from rival fans, but it will have to from the media and anyone employed to comment or they open themselves to a legal battle of their own.
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I think your last point is very important. Any "win" that we get must be good enough to shut the media up. Rival fans are irrelevant since they are going to continue to peddle the lie that we are guilty, whatever happens.
 
John Wayne said:
I can't see City agreeing to any sort of settlement that involves a sporting sanction. I can't see the PL offering a settlement that doesn't include a sporting sanction. This will go all the way.
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As Stefan has noted, the time for settlements is probably over. This one runs to it's logical conclusion now.
 
John Wayne said:
I can't see City agreeing to any sort of settlement that involves a sporting sanction. I can't see the PL offering a settlement that doesn't include a sporting sanction. This will go all the way.
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When the white smoke appears over the tribunal door there should be a choreographed effort to legally sort out these sly underhand cunts who chased us and made a living off our situation.

 
As much as I hate talksport one thing I will give the credit for is they seem to be the only bit of media that has someone in our corner or at the very least speaks in facts
 
dadnlad said:
isnt he claiming another stolen email miraculouly turned up after CAS saying something other than witness statment
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As far as I know the detail from the uefa charge that went to cas has never been fully released.

So how can someone know there is discrepancies with some other information.

The club are excellent at keeping things on the quiet. No-one has a clue about what evidence is being considered, we can guess its similar to the stuff in the German press but that was effectively stolen so not sure it's admissible.

Bottom line the PL have to prove that the sponsorship income was effectively not 3rd party and was from the owners.

If they can't do that then it all falls down.
 
M18CTID said:
Jordan back to being a **** again and peddling conspiracy theories about the panel. I’d also like him to explain what the inconsistencies were in the witness statements given to CAS.
How Stefan manages to keep so calm in the face of such confrontational bullshit is beyond me!
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He doesn't know what he's talking about and Stefan knows it's a waste of time even trying to argue with him. He suggests City are being obstructive, that there are examples of large scale fraud or conspiracies/scandals (Enron and the Post Office) and his obsession with our owners being dodgy means he concludes we must be guilty. I would have liked Stefan to ask him how many other scandals of such nature he can name...there's a reason these things stick in the mind, and that's because they don't happen very fucking often!

As Stefan says, if we were trying to get away with something it would be incredibly odd to have been willing to take it this far. There weren't inconsistencies at CAS, I don't believe Jordan has ever read that decision - not in any depth. He still thinks we were guilty but for loopholes and that the fine amounts to guilt in any case.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Agreed about the proof. Seems to me the PL won't have had access during the investigation to the external information they need and won't have access to it in front of the panel, at least not in the form they would need it, to prove the serious allegations even if the club did do what is alleged.
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Absolutely. As I read them (and I am most definitely a novice in these matters), the rules on financial disclosure only apply to the Club or the group that it is a member of (which in our case is CFG). The alleged disguised funding would have taken place between ADUG and the sponsoring companies. In the event the Premier league had access to their information, you would expect that if everything is clean then there will be nothing to see and, if there is some practice going on which infringes the rules, then there will also be nothing to see. Either way there will be nothing to see.
 
M18CTID said:
Jordan back to being a **** again and peddling conspiracy theories about the panel. I’d also like him to explain what the inconsistencies were in the witness statements given to CAS.
How Stefan manages to keep so calm in the face of such confrontational bullshit is beyond me!
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Right at the end he says i might be 60 by the time they get sanctioned. i do think Jordan is funny, it is no wonder he lost so much money in football, he even blames City going to CAS for dragging it out, funny funny man
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Right at the end he says i might be 60 by the time they get sanctioned. i do think Jordan is funny, it is no wonder he lost so much money in football, he even blames City going to CAS for dragging it out, funny funny man
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You can see why he wasn't cut out to be a football chairman - brash, abrasive, impulsive. To be fair, those qualities probably brought about his wealth initially, but he simply doesn't have the temperament to run a large business successfully over a sustained period of time. Contrast Jordan with Khaldoon and you'll learn something about business.
 
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