It's neither an atmospheric end, a corporate end, or an anything-in-the-middle end. That's because it's a mix of everything end
Oh so my seat in CBL row A is an Anchor Seat because whenever I am not able to attend and I let another fan have my ticket they say it is one of the best seats and views they've had and don't ever give it up? :-) Just asking.Guaranteed a prime position for as long as they want it. Like in the Trafford Centre with Selfridges. The idea is that they attract others (so usually get preferential treatment).
Can get a sing song going with 30 down the pub. 3000 should be easy.. :)Why is that a bad thing? It is a 12000 person end. You won't get that proportion of one profile type among the population.
To me the only thing that matters is that they are all blues.
Beyond that, young, old, single, married, dad, grandad, grandson, ambulant, able-bodied, posh, not posh, standing, sitting, male, female, does it really matter so much to make it fail as a whole? Not for me, sorry.
Sorry to break it to you EB but if you are on the front row of the lower tier that's one of the worst seats in the house!Oh so my seat in CBL row A is an Anchor Seat because whenever I am not able to attend and I let another fan have my ticket they say it is one of the best seats and views they've had and don't ever give it up? :-) Just asking.
I don't get preferential treatment though, apart from from the stewards and the lovely people around me (different age groups as well. :-) )
*lol* I beg to differ but hey that's life. I love that seat because the opposition manager and bench get the full blast of my tottering tadpoles and other non swear words shouts. ;-)Sorry to break it to you EB but if you are on the front row of the lower tier that's one of the worst seats in the house!
I don’t think you know or understand what is required to get an atmospheric end going. You strike me more of a premium seat kind of guy (nothing wrong with that - I’ve been in them a few times!) which is where the real conflict is coming from since you seem to be taking it personally that a group don’t want such seating to be present in a City ‘home end’.
Just out of interest - do you consider Colin Bell Level 3 to be an atmospheric tier and if not why? Would you if they said the back rows were safe standing? What do you think the club would need to do to make it a new place for louder fans?
The point is that if the club TRULY want an atmosphere end above all else then they wouldn't make it a mish-mash of different things. Nobody has an issue with different demographics with regards to our fanbase - after all, @Eccles Blue is a perfect example of someone who would sing her head off if she moved to the new stand - but when you're marketing it as part atmospheric/part something else then you're never going to maximise the benefit. Someone cited Spurs as an example of how it can go wrong when - at the outset - it looked for all the world that they would have the best atmosphere end in the league. Do you see Dortmund plonking a load of premium seating slap bang in the Yellow Wall? Of course not. That doesn't mean that everyone who stands on the Yellow Wall is of a certain age or sex though. It's full of people of all ages, all sexes, and all colours who want to create an atmosphere.Why is that a bad thing? It is a 12000 person end. You won't get that proportion of one profile type among the population.
To me the only thing that matters is that they are all blues.
Beyond that, young, old, single, married, dad, grandad, grandson, ambulant, able-bodied, posh, not posh, standing, sitting, male, female, does it really matter so much to make it fail as a whole? Not for me, sorry.
Why is that a bad thing? It is a 12000 person end. You won't get that proportion of one profile type among the population.
To me the only thing that matters is that they are all blues.
Beyond that, young, old, single, married, dad, grandad, grandson, ambulant, able-bodied, posh, not posh, standing, sitting, male, female, does it really matter so much to make it fail as a whole? Not for me, sorry.
I'd stress the point that we're talking about an 'end' not a tier. If you look at the 3k rail seats as a percentage of the North Stand, it's roughly 20%. I don't think that's enough if we truly want an atmospheric home end.
Obviously 3k is better than nothing, but it's a big opportunity missed.
I think the other points (GA+ where it is - making it harder to link atmosphere between NSL2 and NSL1) re-emphasise that this is not a stand with a core focus of atmosphere.
I totally agree with this, you need to carry on with what you are doing (as if it matters what I think, I'm just poking my nose in!! *lol*)The point is that if the club TRULY want an atmosphere end above all else then they wouldn't make it a mish-mash of different things. Nobody has an issue with different demographics with regards to our fanbase - after all, @Eccles Blue is a perfect example of someone who would sing her head off if she moved to the new stand - but when you're marketing it as part atmospheric/part something else then you're never going to maximise the benefit. Someone cited Spurs as an example of how it can go wrong when - at the outset - it looked for all the world that they would have the best atmosphere end in the league. Do you see Dortmund plonking a load of premium seating slap bang in the Yellow Wall? Of course not. That doesn't mean that everyone who stands on the Yellow Wall is of a certain age or sex though. It's full of people of all ages, all sexes, and all colours who want to create an atmosphere.
You are way over reaching yourself. The club won't commit to stuff like that and build a rod for it's own back.If we can guarantee that 70% of the 6k new seats are season cards (like what the 1894 survey showed fans want), we can reduce that risk and ensure more blues fill this amazing stand.
Looking at some of the recent posts on Blue Moon, you can't guarantee they will all be blues. There seems to be an increasing number of away fans getting hold of tickets (or neutrals/football tourists) at the expense of proper City fans. This problem is exacerbated in hospitality sections.
This is especially the case when match day ticket prices are higher (so the demand from blues reduces). If we can guarantee that 70% of the 6k new seats are season cards (like what the 1894 survey showed fans want), we can reduce that risk and ensure more blues fill this amazing stand.
Good post. Especially the last paragraph.But tier 1 exists already. Should everyone there be kicked out so they can start again to get the mix that one group think is right?
3k seats is almost half of the new addition. Or a third of that tier, which is probably the fairest and most logical way to look at it. Look I agree, it would be better if there were more rail seats.
Don't disagree with GA+ being relocated btw. But it makes sense to me why it is there, why that location, along with the padding, is exactly what commands the +. Doesn't mean it has to be a dead zone. It is 600 odd seats, out of 9.5k.
Not to digress, but as a side positive wee reminder, the spacing is exactly the same as elsewhere throughout it. It is not boxed off. The shared toilet provision is the same. That GA+ guy will be pissing next to the GA guy. So there is scope for it not to be GA+. To be changed to basic GA. For the whole stand to be made GA+. For it to be GA+ rail standing, given the location and access to a bar. For the bar (although I have recently shifted my thoughts on that somewhat) to be absorbed into the concourse. Now maybe that is quite naive of me, from a trying to guess the club's intentions for the area point of view. But as a pure facility as designed and once built, it is factual. What they do with it when it opens, in year 2, 5, 15 etc. Time will tell.
I'm merely posting what City fans have told us they want to see happen.You are way over reaching yourself. The club won't commit to stuff like that and build a rod for it's own back.
That not unreasonable and its practical, is it around 6500 ss ?Here is a better image:
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Yellow is current rail seating provision.
Orange is the minimum we'd like to see.
Purple is GA+
Its about time you started to calm down a bit me old flower. ;)*lol* I beg to differ but hey that's life. I love that seat because the opposition manager and bench get the full blast of my tottering tadpoles and other non swear words shouts. ;-)
Plus I sing and shout to my heart's content without worrying about the atmosphere around me. I go to watch the match and enjoy. :-)
Not convinced by "1894 on the atmosphere front".Based on the comments on all sides, I think it's a simple case of communication. It would be good for 1894 to reach out and make contact with the club and see if there's an opportunity to get the details that are currently missing.
The club have stated that the number of rail seats could be increased. That, to me, shows that it is willing to engage and change things. Ultimately, whilst it's an expansion to drive revenue, you can't ignore the fact it's providing a single tier and a covered City Square which are elements it didn't need to deliver, at additional cost. So there's definitely a desire to try and deliver something the fans want - and that's all fans not just 1894 I should add.
But ultimately, there are other parts of the ground they could probably command more revenue from hospitality. It could be that in years 1-2 they look at a bedding in period. If 1894 get themselves in the 3,000 seats (hopefully more) then it's job done on the atmosphere front. The only direction that stand then goes is towards a full atmospheric end (at least in the 2nd tier). The GA+ is more likely to be forced out, people from elsewhere might look to move in to join the party and space opens up elsewhere for additional hospitality (not GA+) which delivers more revenue.
There are plenty of options. But rather than taking issue with it and doing nothing, whilst understandable, it's better to try and open up some dialogue and see if the missing information changes the mindset.
Naaahhh then I’d be dead!!! :-) I need to keep the energy going. How can I shout for John Boy if I calm down. ;-) :-)Its about time you started to calm down a bit me old flower. ;)