Keir Starmer

Chippy_boy said:
I am hoping (but not expecting) Kemi Badenoch to win the Tory leadership vote.

She's the only one who comes across to me as being able to inspire the next generation in the way Tony Blair did in 97. She would also have the best chance of getting many of the 4m Reform voters to return to the Tories. She'd also have a good crack at picking up former Labour voters concerned about mass immigration.

But sadly I don't think she will win and we'll end up with Cleverly or Jenrick. And Please God not the former, standing as he is on the "I'll carry on like when we lost before" platform.
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Cleverly is the only one who vaguely resembles a normal human being.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I am hoping (but not expecting) Kemi Badenoch to win the Tory leadership vote.

She's the only one who comes across to me as being able to inspire the next generation in the way Tony Blair did in 97. She would also have the best chance of getting many of the 4m Reform voters to return to the Tories. She'd also have a good crack at picking up former Labour voters concerned about mass immigration.

But sadly I don't think she will win and we'll end up with Cleverly or Jenrick. And Please God not the former, standing as he is on the "I'll carry on like when we lost before" platform.
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She is as nuts as the other 2.
 
Chippy_boy said:
From the New Statesman,

“ At party conference in Liverpool last week Labour activists were, at once, panicked and incredulous, all adamant that Starmer would have to step aside soon.
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Rishi Sunak’s favourability fell 11 points only 70 days into the job. Boris Johnson, Theresa May, David Cameron and Gordon Brown had fairly stable net ratings over the same period. Starmer’s, meanwhile, have tumbled 18 points.
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All Labour activists? Tosh.

The article's theme was the unrealistic expectations of voters whereby anyone in power is unpopular.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I am hoping (but not expecting) Kemi Badenoch to win the Tory leadership vote.

She's the only one who comes across to me as being able to inspire the next generation in the way Tony Blair did in 97. She would also have the best chance of getting many of the 4m Reform voters to return to the Tories. She'd also have a good crack at picking up former Labour voters concerned about mass immigration.

But sadly I don't think she will win and we'll end up with Cleverly or Jenrick. And Please God not the former, standing as he is on the "I'll carry on like when we lost before" platform.
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Badenoch hahahaha
 
Chippy_boy said:
From the New Statesman,

“ At party conference in Liverpool last week Labour activists were, at once, panicked and incredulous, all adamant that Starmer would have to step aside soon.
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Rishi Sunak’s favourability fell 11 points only 70 days into the job. Boris Johnson, Theresa May, David Cameron and Gordon Brown had fairly stable net ratings over the same period. Starmer’s, meanwhile, have tumbled 18 points.
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It's from the new statesman mate. As a source that's the equivalent of me looking in the morning star for an unbiased account of thatchers contribution to the coal industry
 
Chippy_boy said:
Really?

Jason Cowley, the magazine's editor, describes the New Statesman as a publication "of the left, for the left"
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I'd agree that the New Statesman would generally be supportive of Starmer. However the quote from the article is misleading.

It's putting the problems Starmer is facing in context - the polling expert at the NS discussing how leaders of large countries are pretty much always unpopular now, and that the effect is getting worse. The quote about activists was given as an example of people's over the top reactions to events, rather than a serious commentary suggesting Starmer is likely to go.
 
bluenova said:
I'd agree that the New Statesman would generally be supportive of Starmer. However the quote from the article is misleading.

It's putting the problems Starmer is facing in context - the polling expert at the NS discussing how leaders of large countries are pretty much always unpopular now, and that the effect is getting worse. The quote about activists was given as an example of people's over the top reactions to events, rather than a serious commentary suggesting Starmer is likely to go.
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I think I'd agree with that. Any Prime Minister now Tory/Labour seems to become a figure of fun instantly (it's basically become a political tactic from both sides). How you lead a country effectively when you are constantly undermined I do not know.
 
Palerider said:
I think I'd agree with that. Any Prime Minister now Tory/Labour seems to become a figure of fun instantly (it's basically become a political tactic from both sides). How you lead a country effectively when you are constantly undermined I do not know.
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I think we've seen from the Tories, that chopping and changing isn't the way to go. You just end up doing nothing.

Ultimately I suspect Labour are concerned, but the plans they have are huge, and will take time - but they have five years. They'll only get things done if they stick to delivery, and try and ignore the politics.
 
bluenova said:
I'd agree that the New Statesman would generally be supportive of Starmer. However the quote from the article is misleading.

It's putting the problems Starmer is facing in context - the polling expert at the NS discussing how leaders of large countries are pretty much always unpopular now, and that the effect is getting worse. The quote about activists was given as an example of people's over the top reactions to events, rather than a serious commentary suggesting Starmer is likely to go.
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Whatever the source, it was obviously a daft claim that all Labour activists want Starmer to go. Maybe he just asked the Labour activists at "Starmer must go" meetings (not easy to find).

Like asking Badenoch's supporters if they think Cleverly should win, and concluding that "all Tory activists want Cleverly out".
 
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