Vat on Independent school fees?

BrianW said:
I have a solution for this. All these schools could become genuine charities and teach pupils for free, as many of their founders intended. (Eton and Chethams for certain sure.) They could be supported by generous donations from Tories, on which tax relief would be available. Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Except that if anyone could attend for free, these schools would no longer be bastions of privilege, would they? And that's what this is all about.
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Perhaps they could also have reverse selection - taking the pupils most in need, as a normal charity would do.

It always 'amuses' me, that the 'best' state school near me, is a church school, and has pages and pages of entrance requirements. The criteria ensure that people go to Church and help out, mostly to get their kids into the school, while also being onerous enough to indirectly select less poor kids.

I sometimes wonder if that's what Jesus would have wanted?
 
Jimmieblue said:
The dumbing down of everything really. I don’t like mentioning morals really, but they have deteriorated, stemming I believe from what’s thrust at us in the msm. I can’t put my finger on when it started. Don’t get me wrong at lot has improved, more equality for women in my lifetime, men more involved in family life, all good. More acceptance of some minorities. But everything seems to have gone too far now. Celebrities seem to be dictating what our children should aspire to. I could go on, but I have to try and switch off as it makes me sad so perhaps like a lot of people I don’t do much about it.
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Don't know what you are seeing but my 2 children and their friends all early 20s seem to be having a great lfe and most things better than they were for me in the late 70s early 80s.
 
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blueinsa said:
University students next up on the Reeves and Starmer hit list.
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It's only a year since the Tories made changes to repayment of loans, which meant that many students face a 50% increase in how much they paid back. https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/student-loans-england-plan-5/

This change to the upfront fees, means that only those that pay off the full loan, which is the better off graduates, will see any change at all. Even then, it's a small fraction of the change that the Tories brought in, in 2023.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Hasn't she also 'hit' private nurseries? Do these come under the label 'independent' schools. I would think these 'private' nurseries have only sprouted up because state provision is abysmal.
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As local govt can barely cope providing for compulsory education from 5, voluntary provision before that is bound to be inadequate.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't know what you are seeing but my 2 children an their freinds all early 20s seem to be having a great lfe and most things better than they were for me in the late 70s eaerly 80s.
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Well said.
It’s the moaning of bitter old people who cannot cope with change that has gone on since the ancient Greeks.
 
blueinsa said:
University students next up on the Reeves and Starmer hit list.
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Well, the culture war BS has made the situation far worse for universities with it being more difficult for overseas students to study here. Someone else now has to make up for the shortfall in income. Some Tories will be happy as it means reducing the chances of oiks getting a university education.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't know what you are seeing but my 2 children and their friends all early 20s seem to be having a great lfe and most things better than they were for me in the late 70s early 80s.
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Yep, mine too. The biggest difference between then and now is how difficult it is to get on the housing ladder. Resigned to have to give them a significant advance on their inheritance to enable them to buy somewhere half decent. It’s sad that most people will be forced to spend most of their lives lining a landlord’s pocket.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't know what you are seeing but my 2 children and their friends all early 20s seem to be having a great lfe and most things better than they were for me in the late 70s early 80s.
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Suppose what I am seeing is, yes, the young ones today all seem to be having great lives, I quite agree. Compared to your generation, which I suspect is our two children’s generation, it seems loads better which in turn was better than our generation.
However today’s 20 year olds have probably already experienced all those things it took it look us years to experience. I haven’t yet made my mind up whether that’s good thing or not. There is so much mental illness around all of which is not due to Covid.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Today the Telegraph reports 2,500 kids have applied to join State Schools from fee paying schools.
At the end of June the same paper said that figure would be 224,000.
Do you see how this works?
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:)

Would be interesting to know how this differs from the average number of children who go from private to state each year. I would have thought it would likely be higher than 2,500 when you account for changing economic circumstances of families, moving home etc..
 
west didsblue said:
Yep, mine too. The biggest difference between then and now is how difficult it is to get on the housing ladder. Resigned to have to give them a significant advance on their inheritance to enable them to buy somewhere half decent. It’s sad that most people will be forced to spend most of their lives lining a landlord’s pocket.
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My niece is 23, she moved out a few years ago with her boyfriend rented a flat down oldham rd near miles platting, rent was about £800 a month, landlord got greedy and upped it after a year to £1100! She moved back to her mum and dad’s with boyfriend in tow. They stayed for around 8 months then decided they wanted to ive to the city centre, rent is around £1200-1300 a month. So instead of saving for a deposit whilst living at her mums they are now blowing close to £15k a year in rent! They could’ve bought a house in Oldham (ye I knew not the best) near her mum for around £120k. Get on the ladder and then move up, but she like many see what others in socia media have and want that lifestyle, she could’ve been paying half that in a mortgage and having a better life, ut she knows better will get to her 30s and be fucked, what happens to all these renters when they retire, unless they have huge pensions they’ll never afford a decent place to rent, but they live for the moment these days and don’t seem to care about their futures.
 
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