VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

TonyColemansbagofapples said:
It covers (from the one programme I watched) incidents that were easily explainable, even to the thickest football watcher. Waste of time with the sole intention of showing how great an innovation VAR is and how it's run by totally impartial officials. Absolute shite.
Let's do what cricket and other sports with a fraction of the money available do. Let everyone see exactly what has happened and hear the comments for all decisions, not just a select, handpicked few.
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Well the three most talked about decisions over the last few weeks were all shown tonight but if you’re not interested, that’s fine.
 
Not in the slightest. Out of interest, did they look at the incident where Rodri was put out for the rest of the season? The reason I ask is because I didn't see how it happened at the ground and took four looks at it on the TV as I couldn't take my eyes off Akanji being wrestled to the floor. Bet they didn't say that maybe VAR should have recommended a review for a penalty. Maybe because they won't look at that. This after Howie Boy said they were clamping down on such incidents.
So, to answer your question, no I'm not interested in bullshit. And the most important incidents involved which teams? I could guess but I'm not arsed so you don't need to answer.
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Not in the slightest. Out of interest, did they look at the incident where Rodri was put out for the rest of the season? The reason I ask is because I didn't see how it happened at the ground and took four looks at it on the TV as I couldn't take my eyes off Akanji being wrestled to the floor. Bet they didn't say that maybe VAR should have recommended a review for a penalty. Maybe because they won't look at that. This after Howie Boy said they were clamping down on such incidents.
So, to answer your question, no I'm not interested in bullshit. And the most important incidents involved which teams? I could guess but I'm not arsed so you don't need to answer.
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I said the most talked about not most important but not to worry.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
shameful, tech in place to rule this goal out in seconds.
the game is gone if we allow goals like this to stand.

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Preston vs Bristol City: Yu Hirakawa scores with blatant handball

Bristol Citys goal against Preston stands after blatant handball from Yu Hirakawa.
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You don’t need VAR for this because this is blatant cheating. If this is not spotted by the officials during the match, that’s unfortunate. The footballer himself should be banned for five matches for out and out cheating. Maybe the result not stand and the game replayed, I don’t know, but cheats should not prosper.
 
normskih said:
You don’t need VAR for this because this is blatant cheating. If this is not spotted by the officials during the match, that’s unfortunate. The footballer himself should be banned for five matches for out and out cheating. Maybe the result not stand and the game replayed, I don’t know, but cheats should not prosper.
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So that match would have to be replayed whereas with VAR they could have ruled the goal out and sent the player off.
 
Word on the street is that FIFA is considering scrapping VAR and replacing with a new system called FVS.

FVS, short for "Football Video Support" is a system whereby the managers can request challenges to a decision that they object to, and have it reviewed, rather than VAR overloads deciding what to review and when to stop the match.

We've been hearing this idea floating around for years, it remains to be seen if it becomes a reality and replaces VAR entirely. The fact that they are already trialing this FVS would suggest that they are looking for a replacement. I would expect them to be very tight-lipped about this as announcing a total replacement of the system they've been in charge of for the last 6 years that is widely seen as an abject failure and replacing it with an alternative would surely involve quite a bit of damage control.

VAR is so controversial and unpopular that maybe by now even FIFA realizes that it's unsustainable. The amount of criticism and discontent from fans and pundits alike has to play in their minds. For years we kept hearing give it time, give it another years, it was always going to take 2, 3, 4, 5 years until they got it right. And yet here we are and it's only getting worse. In a way it would make sense that at last FIFA realizes that the VAR gig is up and it's time to bin it and replace it with something that they can put a name on, so they can pretend to claim success.

It will be interesting to see if they decide to make some kind of sweeping announcement that VAR will be replaced with FVS for now on. But then the question becomes when do you do that, and how do you do that? During competitions? What a mess football is in, FIFA is to blame for putting football in such a predicament, such hubris and short sightedness to think they could implement VAR successfully. And maybe they just want to be praised as finally doing something that isn't loathed by fans to the extent VAR is. Is a challenge system the answer? Is that the savior?

I saw, naw, go back to normal football. No challenges, no VAR. Just normal football. Play to the whistle, and carry on if you think you've been wronged, and the game goes goes on. But if I had to choose between VAR and anything else, i.e. a challenge system I think we all know that any alternative would be better than VAR!
 
And if we're to ask ourselves what has prompted FIFA to seek out a replacement for VAR? I think maybe it's due to the fact that some of the VAR conversations have been publicized and fans are finally getting to hear how incompetent and corrupt the conversations are by the overloads tasked with deciding when and where to stop the match to review decisions that change a course of a match.

 
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Platini says it openly: I am against Var for a strong reason

PlatinumThe legend of French football, but not only, Michel Platini continues to maintain the same position regarding the VAR system
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The legend of French football, but not only, Michel Platini continues to maintain the same position regarding the VAR system.

In an interview given to "Sportmediaset", he emphasizes that VAR should only be used in a few specific situations.

"I'm against VAR, it doesn't make the fans discuss anymore. I am not in favor of what sums up football, which solves problems and removes controversy. I say that VAR should only be used for irregular goal positions, where the referees cannot see," said the former UEFA President.

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Platini: I was against VAR from day one

Former UEFA president Michel Platini is still against VAR, stating that he was against it from day one, as he believes football cannot be judged by video. Platini has given an interview to Il Corriere dello Sport on a number of issues and was asked about his opinion on VAR, which...
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Former UEFA president Michel Platini is still against VAR, stating that he was against it from day one, as he believes football cannot be judged by video.

"Football cannot be judged by video. Television distorts the entire perception of individual incidents".

"Football is a contact sport, there are regular interventions, which if passed through the TV filter and slowed down, lead to unacceptable interpretations."

"A foul must be evaluated and judged in real time."

"VAR also kills the excitement of the goal, it forces the player to celebrate it five minutes later, and sometimes twice."

"For a more equal game, VAR is not necessary, but better referees".

"The technology controversy is not limited to Italy, but also to England, Spain and Germany," concluded the former UEFA president.

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Mr. Platini is correct, they have been going about it all wrong. FIFA have really stepped in it in stubbornly trying to make such a system work in football, and continue to embarrass themselves and the sport that they have eroded.
 
Stephen230 said:
It’s not compulsory. But there was a lot of people confused about exactly what went on around that Stones goal at Wolves.

There’s also people constantly calling for VAR audio to be released. It’s not ideal because it only covers four or five incidents per month. But it’s a start and I find it reasonably interesting for one at least.
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Dunno why people bother. Perfectly good goal that only became 'contentious' because of tv whingeing
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Word on the street is that FIFA is considering scrapping VAR and replacing with a new system called FVS.

FVS, short for "Football Video Support" is a system whereby the managers can request challenges to a decision that they object to, and have it reviewed, rather than VAR overloads deciding what to review and when to stop the match.

We've been hearing this idea floating around for years, it remains to be seen if it becomes a reality and replaces VAR entirely. The fact that they are already trialing this FVS would suggest that they are looking for a replacement. I would expect them to be very tight-lipped about this as announcing a total replacement of the system they've been in charge of for the last 6 years that is widely seen as an abject failure and replacing it with an alternative would surely involve quite a bit of damage control.

VAR is so controversial and unpopular that maybe by now even FIFA realizes that it's unsustainable. The amount of criticism and discontent from fans and pundits alike has to play in their minds. For years we kept hearing give it time, give it another years, it was always going to take 2, 3, 4, 5 years until they got it right. And yet here we are and it's only getting worse. In a way it would make sense that at last FIFA realizes that the VAR gig is up and it's time to bin it and replace it with something that they can put a name on, so they can pretend to claim success.

It will be interesting to see if they decide to make some kind of sweeping announcement that VAR will be replaced with FVS for now on. But then the question becomes when do you do that, and how do you do that? During competitions? What a mess football is in, FIFA is to blame for putting football in such a predicament, such hubris and short sightedness to think they could implement VAR successfully. And maybe they just want to be praised as finally doing something that isn't loathed by fans to the extent VAR is. Is a challenge system the answer? Is that the savior?

I saw, naw, go back to normal football. No challenges, no VAR. Just normal football. Play to the whistle, and carry on if you think you've been wronged, and the game goes goes on. But if I had to choose between VAR and anything else, i.e. a challenge system I think we all know that any alternative would be better than VAR!
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It's not for the major leagues, I thought, but for leagues without the resources to implement full VAR?
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
www.cna.al

Platini says it openly: I am against Var for a strong reason

PlatinumThe legend of French football, but not only, Michel Platini continues to maintain the same position regarding the VAR system
www.cna.al www.cna.al

The legend of French football, but not only, Michel Platini continues to maintain the same position regarding the VAR system.

In an interview given to "Sportmediaset", he emphasizes that VAR should only be used in a few specific situations.

"I'm against VAR, it doesn't make the fans discuss anymore. I am not in favor of what sums up football, which solves problems and removes controversy. I say that VAR should only be used for irregular goal positions, where the referees cannot see," said the former UEFA President.

telegrafi.com

Platini: I was against VAR from day one

Former UEFA president Michel Platini is still against VAR, stating that he was against it from day one, as he believes football cannot be judged by video. Platini has given an interview to Il Corriere dello Sport on a number of issues and was asked about his opinion on VAR, which...
telegrafi.com telegrafi.com

Former UEFA president Michel Platini is still against VAR, stating that he was against it from day one, as he believes football cannot be judged by video.

"Football cannot be judged by video. Television distorts the entire perception of individual incidents".

"Football is a contact sport, there are regular interventions, which if passed through the TV filter and slowed down, lead to unacceptable interpretations."

"A foul must be evaluated and judged in real time."

"VAR also kills the excitement of the goal, it forces the player to celebrate it five minutes later, and sometimes twice."

"For a more equal game, VAR is not necessary, but better referees".

"The technology controversy is not limited to Italy, but also to England, Spain and Germany," concluded the former UEFA president.

- - -

Mr. Platini is correct, they have been going about it all wrong. FIFA have really stepped in it in stubbornly trying to make such a system work in football, and continue to embarrass themselves and the sport that they have eroded.
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Well, well. It seems even a broken Frenchman is right twice a lifetime.

Struggling to think of the other time, though .....
 
halfcenturyup said:
It's not for the major leagues, I thought, but for leagues without the resources to implement full VAR?
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That's what I thought too. But this week there have been reports that FIFA is considering replacing VAR with this FVS.

www.mundodeportivo.com

La FIFA estudia incorporar una alternativa simplificada del VAR

La FIFA está estudiando incorporar el nuevo Video Support de Fútbol (FVS) para reemplazar el VAR. Este nuevo sistema se caracteriza por ser una alternativa mucho
www.mundodeportivo.com www.mundodeportivo.com

At the end of this article it states :

"FIFA is soon hoping to receive permission from the International Football Association Board (IFAB) to extend it to other competitions. If approved, the alternative would be implemented next year."

So it seems that FIFA is at least considering replacing VAR with this FVS and implemented next year.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
That's what I thought too. But this week there have been reports that FIFA is considering replacing VAR with this FVS.

www.mundodeportivo.com

La FIFA estudia incorporar una alternativa simplificada del VAR

La FIFA está estudiando incorporar el nuevo Video Support de Fútbol (FVS) para reemplazar el VAR. Este nuevo sistema se caracteriza por ser una alternativa mucho
www.mundodeportivo.com www.mundodeportivo.com

At the end of this article it states :

"FIFA is soon hoping to receive permission from the International Football Association Board (IFAB) to extend it to other competitions. If approved, the alternative would be implemented next year."

So it seems that FIFA is at least considering replacing VAR with this FVS and implemented next year.
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You are getting my hopes up :)

But from FIFA in May:

"IS VS REPLACING THE VAR SYSTEM?

No. VS is fundamentally different to the VAR system because, as there are no video match officials and therefore all qualifying decisions/incidents are not automatically checked, the decision to request a review is the responsibility of the team’s head coach (or, in their absence, of the senior team official present in the technical area).FIFA has no intention whatsoever of replacing the VAR system.

On the contrary, FIFA is committed to supporting the implementation of the VAR system, whenever possible. It has proven to be a very successful system, as to date, over 200 individual competitions – spanning 65 member associations across five confederations – have benefited from the implementation of VAR solutions that assist match officials in officiating the game".
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
That's what I thought too. But this week there have been reports that FIFA is considering replacing VAR with this FVS.

www.mundodeportivo.com

La FIFA estudia incorporar una alternativa simplificada del VAR

La FIFA está estudiando incorporar el nuevo Video Support de Fútbol (FVS) para reemplazar el VAR. Este nuevo sistema se caracteriza por ser una alternativa mucho
www.mundodeportivo.com www.mundodeportivo.com

At the end of this article it states :

"FIFA is soon hoping to receive permission from the International Football Association Board (IFAB) to extend it to other competitions. If approved, the alternative would be implemented next year."

So it seems that FIFA is at least considering replacing VAR with this FVS and implemented next year.
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Who knows what secret plans they may have? But there has been mass mis-reporting over FVS, with some outlets claiming it will result in ‘coaches challenges’ in leagues using VAR.

As far as any reputable source goes, the only thing I’ve seen at least, is as the other guy says, it’s intention is for competitions without the resources for an actual VAR. Possibly early rounds of the FA Cup and the League Cup eventually maybe?

Although if it does come into widespread use in minor leagues and the feedback is positive, I suppose it’s possible that they might consider scrapping VAR and using it in major competitions.

Unlikely I’d have thought though.
 
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