10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

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decmancity said:
They have a legal responsibility to have him on the bench of a premier league game?

Their responsiblity would be shielding him from outside of the club and he would be doing his work at the academy and if its worse, checking into rehab.
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I said City have a legal responsibility to help him and he's probably on the bench because we have so many injuries. He doesn't look fit and hasn't done for a while.

And he may have already been in rehab for all we know. Wasn't he out of the squad about 3 weeks with a mystery injury a few months back?

If he has a alcohol problem I'm glad nobody at the club has told the media because they'd have a field day of Paul Gascoigne proportions and we can very much do without any more bad publicity. Walker has done himself no favours telling the nation he's a womanising cheat but that's another discussion.
 
Crooked_rain said:
I still say we try him out in midfield..

Outside of Rodri, I think he's the best player we have at shielding the ball and not losing it. He offers a lot of control.

He also carries the ball well when he has more space, which he doesn't get out wide

Conventional wisdom says he should be played in the middle but it's obviously Pep doesn't fancy him in the middle. Pep obviously knows much more than us, but I'd really love to hear from him about why he never tries it.
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You basically answered your own question. He'll never play midfield because he takes too many touches of the ball. Everything you are suggesting as a positive to playing midfield is the opposite to what Pep actually wants. His central midfielders need to take few touches and move it quickly, he takes many touches and slows everything down. He has no change of tempo and he actively invites challenges for the ball. now he is generally very good at protecting and drawing fouls from them challenges but again, that's not what you want from a central midfielder, the opposition shouldn't be able to get near the ball if you're doing what Pep wants in there.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I said City have a legal responsibility to help him and he's probably on the bench because we have so many injuries. He doesn't look fit and hasn't done for a while.

And he may have already been in rehab for all we know. Wasn't he out of the squad about 3 weeks with a mystery injury a few months back?

If he has a alcohol problem I'm glad nobody at the club has told the media because they'd have a field day of Paul Gascoigne proportions and we can very much do without any more bad publicity. Walker has done himself no favours telling the nation he's a womanising cheat but that's another discussion.
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Pep could have stuck Jacob Wright on the bench if he needed to fill the bench and he in fact hasn't even done that on several occasions so that still doesn't stick.
 
decmancity said:
Pep could have stuck Jacob Wright on the bench if he needed to fill the bench and he in fact hasn't even done that on several occasions so that still doesn't stick.
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I think you're clutching at straws now. Pep chose to put Grealish on the bench to use him as a sub(which he did) to get his fitness and confidence up.

FWIW I think Grealish is in the shop window and will be sold at the first opportunity we get.
 
ninjamonkey said:
You basically answered your own question. He'll never play midfield because he takes too many touches of the ball. Everything you are suggesting as a positive to playing midfield is the opposite to what Pep actually wants. His central midfielders need to take few touches and move it quickly, he takes many touches and slows everything down. He has no change of tempo and he actively invites challenges for the ball. now he is generally very good at protecting and drawing fouls from them challenges but again, that's not what you want from a central midfielder, the opposition shouldn't be able to get near the ball if you're doing what Pep wants in there.
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But I think he takes too many touches out wide because he isn't confident playing there. He hasn't got the quick acceleration over 5 yards like a Doku, so he's not gonna beat a player in the minimal space he's got to work in when stuck on the touch line, so I think he just tries to keep the ball and that can slow the game down in an attacking position.

Maybe in a position where he's not stuck in a very tight space on the touch line and has more of a picture in front of him, he might move the ball quicker.

He's played Bernado in the middle plenty and he's definitely takes too many touches at times and has no real change of pace. So what's the harm in trying Grealish too?

Whatever he was doing there was enough for us to think he was worth a hefty fee and wasn't playing for Villa stuck with 5 yards of room to work in out wide like he's asked to here.
 
dickie davies said:
Look at the other options and what the fuck was that waving to his mates at the end of the match like he'd just performed a match winning cameo
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Might have been something to do with his 2-month old daughter having her first outing to the Etihad. But you carry on focusing on your mindless whinging about it.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I heard a couple of weeks back he has a drink problem, and if true City have a legal responsibility and duty of care to help him, hence why he's in the squad.
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The legal responsibility City have towards his health and wellbeing has absolutely nothing to do with his inclusion into the squad on a match day.

He’s there because he’s been selected by the manager for whatever reason.

If he had/has a drink problem, the club would get him the help he needs.
 
David White said:
The legal responsibility City have towards his health and wellbeing has absolutely nothing to do with his inclusion into the squad on a match day.

He’s there because he’s been selected by the manager for whatever reason.

If he had/has a drink problem, the club would get him the help he needs.
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I've already stated my reasons to another poster earlier on why i think Grealish is in the squad
 
dickie davies said:
He's finished as an elite player. He's won a couple of big trophies and is in a comfort zone
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To be finished as an elite player, he would’ve had to actually be an elite player in the first place—which he never was, not even close, and never will be. He hit the jackpot moving for such an absurdly inflated fee and landing those ridiculous wages at an actual elite club.
 
decmancity said:
Not a chance that Grealish would be on the bench, never mind coming on if those rumors were true.
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If the club genuinely wants to move him, then he needs to be on the bench and coming on regularly. Otherwise, his value will plummet like a rock. A £100M player being moved should be handled strategically to maintain his worth—it’s basic business sense!
 
Crooked_rain said:
But I think he takes too many touches out wide because he isn't confident playing there. He hasn't got the quick acceleration over 5 yards like a Doku, so he's not gonna beat a player in the minimal space he's got to work in when stuck on the touch line, so I think he just tries to keep the ball and that can slow the game down in an attacking position.

Maybe in a position where he's not stuck in a very tight space on the touch line and has more of a picture in front of him, he might move the ball quicker.

He's played Bernado in the middle plenty and he's definitely takes too many touches at times and has no real change of pace. So what's the harm in trying Grealish too?

Whatever he was doing there was enough for us to think he was worth a hefty fee and wasn't playing for Villa stuck with 5 yards of room to work in out wide like he's asked to here.
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I wouldn't say he takes too many touches out wide, he can do that there no problem, that's his natural style and his whole game, it's fine out wide it just isn't acceptable in the middle.

It's about time people start to accept that he cannot play in central midfield. he's 29, never played there in over a decade of professional football. pep's had 4 years to give it a go and if he had even a shred of confidence he could do it, it would have been tried by now. this is the guy who played John stones as a number 10 in the champions league final, he isn't scared of trying things.

Bernardo takes lots of little touches to get himself out of tight situations and into space, grealish eats up space with lots of touches to take himself into those tight spaces, he's the polar opposite of what Pep wants in central midfield

He never played in central midfield for villa, I don't know how this myth is still a thing, he played wide left then too, they just played differently to us and he was the centre of the entire team so he saw more of the ball and had more license. He isn't anywhere close to being good enough to get that role for us, everybody has a structure to play in, Kdb is the only player who could be given that role.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
He has never been an elite player.

Half a good season in four.
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On his game he is an excellent player but also for a guy that is perceived to be "cocky" he lacks far too much self belief to ever make elite level.

The time it took him to settle into the club and feel even part of this team says everything.

He is another that set his standards in the second part of the treble season but sadly a few decent games apart has never got back to that level.
 
Keeper! said:
On his game he is an excellent player but also for a guy that is perceived to be "cocky" he lacks far too much self belief to ever make elite level.

The time it took him to settle into the club and feel even part of this team says everything.

He is another that set his standards in the second part of the treble season but sadly a few decent games apart has never got back to that level.
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“on his game” is too infrequent sadly.
 
ninjamonkey said:
He never played in central midfield for villa, I don't know how this myth is still a thing, he played wide left then too, they just played differently to us and he was the centre of the entire team so he saw more of the ball and had more license. He isn't anywhere close to being good enough to get that role for us, everybody has a structure to play in, Kdb is the only player who could be given that role.
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No matter how many times you say it, people will cling to this absurd narrative that he’s being played out of position—as if it somehow excuses his performances. It’s beyond ridiculous. Let’s get one thing straight: he’s been a LW for his entire Premier League career. That’s the role he’s been thriving in (or trying to) since stepping into the top flight.

Unless, of course, people want to dig up ancient history and reminisce about his younger years in the Championship at Villa, back when he wasn’t even facing the same level of competition. It’s grasping at straws to defend the indefensible, plain and simple!
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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
“on his game” is too infrequent sadly.
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Far too infrequently and Grealish will always be a player that divides opinion.

We have had very few of those since the takeover because the club have more often got it right when spending on the big players.

I could never see a 100m player in Grealish, it was a buy so out of character of our club.
 
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