Assisted dying

[bluethrunthru]

Medical practitioners take an oath 'to do no harm'

I suspect Wes Streeting and Gordon Brown will also be doing their best to get the bill voted down at second reading.

Quite possibly but its a free vote and it depends on your motivation. Rupert Lowe posted he had done an on-line poll and those of his constituents who would vote on X and has taken that as his steer how to vote. ( we have seen how reliable these on-line polls are with trolls and bots) whereas the obvious to do would be to go door to door and hold a town hall meeting.

Streeting will have to explain his views in interviews I am sure. Not sure about Brown he will probably do opinion pieces for papers?

Those aside Kruger is just out to cause bother. He knows he is unlikely to win but its about doing what his mentor tells him to do rather than consult his constituents.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

A disturbing result, I think it will be a can of worms that might never be resolved

 

[johnny crossan]

Quite possibly but its a free vote and it depends on your motivation. Rupert Lowe posted he had done an on-line poll and those of his constituents who would vote on X and has taken that as his steer how to vote. ( we have seen how reliable these on-line polls are with trolls and bots) whereas the obvious to do would be to go door to door and hold a town hall meeting.

Streeting will have to explain his views in interviews I am sure. Not sure about Brown he will probably do opinion pieces for papers?

Those aside Kruger is just out to cause bother. He knows he is unlikely to win but its about doing what his mentor tells him to do rather than consult his constituents.

Brown's position reflects that of many who voted against.

Spending time with people in their final days showed me that we need not assisted dying, but better end-of-life care | Gordon Brown

We can and must improve on our current end-of-life options – ‘Switzerland, suicide or suffering’, says former UK prime minister Gordon Brown

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Medical practitioners take an oath 'to do no harm'

I'm aware of "the hippocratic oath". Thanks for stating the obvious.

You've missed the point. I was proposing a new job role outside of the medical and nursing professions be created.

 

[johnny crossan]

I'm aware of "the hippocratic oath". Thanks for stating the obvious.

You've missed the point. I was proposing a new job role outside of the medical and nursing professions be created.

You are proposing an executioner?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You are proposing an executioner?

A euthaniser. Wouldn't that tie in nicely with the parameters of today's bill?

Terminal illness, 6 months to live.

 

[johnny crossan]

A euthaniser. Wouldn't that tie in nicely with the parameters of today's bill?

Terminal illness, 6 months to live.

Would he/she have the opportunity to work with just redshirt fans?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

It is inhumane to allow a loved one to suffer needlessly, especially against their express wishes and in light of their known medical deficiencies.

It is only religion, and religion’s hold on law and morality, that have withheld a dignified and humane death from the many who have sought it in the sanctity of their own home or country.

A humane and dignified death should be a human right, wherever and whenever possible.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I'm aware of "the hippocratic oath". Thanks for stating the obvious.

You've missed the point. I was proposing a new job role outside of the medical and nursing professions be created.

Although reading slightly different, a surgeon told me over ten years ago medics don't have to take the hippocratic oath anymore.

 

[Manchester33]

I can’t get my head around the religious fanatics who want to maintain the status quo…

The same people who worship a God who, if real, believes it’s fair to let people die in horrific agony and indignity.

If God is real, fuck him, and I’m glad I’d be able to choose a more comfortable death should I be unlucky enough to require it.

 

[johnny crossan]

It is inhumane to allow a loved one to suffer needlessly, especially against their express wishes and in light of their known medical deficiencies.

It is only religion, and religion’s hold on law and morality, that have withheld a dignified and humane death from the many who have sought it in the sanctity of their own home or country.

A humane and dignified death should be a human right, wherever and whenever possible.

I think religion reflects our species' reluctance to accept death as a better alternative to life.

 

[johnny crossan]

Although reading slightly different, a surgeon told me over ten years ago medics don't have to take the hippocratic oath anymore.

I'd steer clear of his operating theatre if I were you.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I think religion reflects our species' reluctance to accept death as a better alternative to life.

I think religion is deadly and has caused more death in the world than it claims to save.

While it helps create the myth of eternal life, it ignores, in many respects, the real needs of those actually living.

The world has been gripped by religious power and its “morality” for millennia, and the sooner we rid ourselves of the delusion, the better.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Although reading slightly different, a surgeon told me over ten years ago medics don't have to take the hippocratic oath anymore.

That's my understanding too, that's why I put the quotation marks. Its the oath formerly known as...

Would have been better using italics but my settings don't allow me to do that, think I'll have to clear history.

 

[supercity88]

I can’t get my head around the religious fanatics who want to maintain the status quo…

The same people who worship a God who, if real, believes it’s fair to let people die in horrific agony and indignity.

If God is real, fuck him, and I’m glad I’d be able to choose a more comfortable death should I be unlucky enough to require it.

Jesus died for our sins which meant he was coerced into it and felt like he needed to die to benefit us....setting the benchmark for this law, if those opposing it are correct.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I'd steer clear of his operating theatre if I were you.

Nah, he's a friend, he was just commenting how things were changing. Makes you think it was being introduced for future manipulation.

 

[johnny crossan]

I think religion is deadly and has caused more death in the world than it claims to save.

While it helps create the myth of eternal life, it ignores, in many respects, the real needs of those actually living.

The world has been gripped by religious power and “morality” for millennia, and the sooner we rid ourselves of the delusion, the better.

Religious folk often regard atheists as delusional, not sure the characterisation is very helpful to understanding either group tbh.

 

[hilts]

So given the 275 came from all parts of the political spectrum with a variety of different reasons for voting against, what's the definition of shyster in this instance?

That they are happy for the dying and their families to go through torture so MP's needn't make a tough decision.

Does that answer your question?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Religious folk often regard atheists as delusional, not sure the characterisation is very helpful to understanding either group tbh.

Are you sure? It can only be delusional that people believe in a ‘sky god’, surely? To probably misquote Douglas Adams and the Babel Fish.

"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing.' 'But, says Man, the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and vanishes in a puff of logic. 'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing……

 

[dennishasdoneit]