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Aphex said:
Is he a Nazi or not?
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We’ll see.

He certainly talks like one and has expressed admiration for things the Third Reich “accomplished.”

Who knows, maybe the new uniform is a navy suit, white shirt and painfully long red silk tie?!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
We’ll see.

He certainly talks like one and has expressed admiration for things the Third Reich “accomplished.”

Who knows, maybe the new uniform is a navy suit, white shirt and painfully long red silk tie?!
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I'll take that as sarcasm..
 
Aphex said:
I'll take that as sarcasm..
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I wouldn’t.

We will see.

“Donald Trump has faced allegations of making positive remarks about Adolf Hitler, particularly through statements from his former chief of staff, John Kelly. Kelly claimed Trump expressed admiration for Hitler, saying he “did some good things” and desired “the kind of generals that Hitler had,” referring to their loyalty and obedience.”

Hmmm, who to believe…John Kelly or Donald Trump???

I know whom I believe…and he doesn’t paint his face brown or wear an overtly long red silk tie.
 
Aphex said:
Is he a Nazi or not?
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Are you allowed to have the opinion that he probably isn't of the Nazi ideology but is a dictator in waiting? I've never really got the idea that we have to compare every authoritarian figure with Adolf Hitler, like he was the only man in history who had a lust for overturning democratic systems.

Trump doesn't believe in democratic systems, because he's never conceded losing one. We've all heard the tape to Raffensperger. That's a dictator talking, it's just some people are more comfortable with it than others. For now
 
Username Required said:
Donald Trump's "green light" can be found in The Supreme Law and historical precedence, it has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

The origins of the pardon power in the United States Constitution can be found in English history, known previously as the “prerogative of mercy.” It first appeared during the reign of King Ine of Wessex in the seventh century.

Although abuses of the pardon power increased over time, leading to limitations on it, the pardon power persisted through the American colonial period. Alexander Hamilton introduced the concept of a pardon power at the Constitutional Convention.
The framers of the Constitution deliberately separated the judicial function of government from the pardon power, therefore obviating concern from English jurist William Blackstone that the power of judging and pardoning should not be delegated to the same person or entity.

www.whitehousehistory.org

The History of the Pardon Power

Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states that the President has the authority to “grant Reprieves...
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George Washington pardoned two men who were sentenced to be hanged for their part in the Whiskey Rebellion - a genuine insurrection.

Thomas Jefferson granted amnesty to anyone convicted of a crime under the Alien and Sedition Act.

Abraham Lincoln used his pardon power to promote desertions from the Confederacy.

Andrew Johnson pardoned thousands of Confederate soldiers in an attempt to effect national reconciliation.

Jimmy Carter pardoned 200,000 people that dodged the Vietnam draft.

The broad concept of governmental authority to provide relief from criminal punishment has deep historical roots.3 The power vested in the President by the Constitution traces its origins to authority held by the English Crown,4 leading the Supreme Court to look to legal principles underlying the latter in interpreting the scope of the former.5 A prerogative of mercy held by the King appeared during the reign of King Ine of Wessex (688–725 A.D.)6 and by 1535 had been declared by Parliament, during the reign of King Henry VIII (1509–1547 A.D.), as a right exclusive to the Crown.7

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Currently in the UK, the kings prerogative and thus pardons are exercised by the PM who advises the sovereign to grant a pardon. The sovereign then obeys!
I don’t know of any modern case here of corruption of the power. The most recent exercise of it was to pardon Alan Turing and other gay men persecuted by the state.
 
b6_brum said:
Are you allowed to have the opinion that he probably isn't of the Nazi ideology but is a dictator in waiting?
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I don't think he is, personally. Now that he's been re-elected, his primary focus will not be squashing opposition nor fulfilling promises made to his voters but protecting himself from legal jeopardy (already to a great extent done) and enriching himself. The lust for power is not matched by a lust to do any actual, you know, work. If physically able, he'll play a lot of golf and spend a lot of time in Florida. Once in awhile he'll make a speech or visit a foreign nation. He'll lie a lot; he'll blame others for every little thing that goes wrong (Fed Chair Powell will be the next Fauci -- I 100% guarantee it). Now his idiot acolytes may do a lot of damage and the rhetoric won't be toned down. But I'm increasingly of the view that, since I wanted a President I can ignore, I very well might be able to ignore him, because he's a lame duck. I suspect many of the rational voices left in the GOP are relieved because there's finally an end in sight -- four years at the most.

Of course, that doesn't mean Trump 2.0 whomever that is won't be worse or more dangerous. The biggest problem is how his election suggests character is not now only irrelevant as a decision point, but how bad character is actually rewarded with the highest office in the land. If you're willing to vote for a convicted felon as President, how can anyone trust your ability to make a decision on much else? While I can calmly criticiz(s)e Biden for his really bad decision to pardon his son without any cognitive dissonance, I promise you none of the serial dipshits who post here in support of Trump will say a single bad word about any decision he makes between now and his death. I'm not kidding when I say that if he raped their daughters while they watched as their children screamed in terror and pain, they'd excuse him blithely, and keep voting for him. Ask them -- they won't answer, or they'll say they wouldn't vote, but they won't say "I'd' vote for the opponent." That line about shooting someone on 5th Avenue will be engraved on his tombstone. Props to him for understanding his base better than I ever could.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Watching Republicans crow about Biden pardoning his son is the most hilarious example of hypocrisy I’ve seen for awhile!

It was inevitable, especially given not only Trump’s pledge to go after his political enemies, but then trying to put in place the very people who have vowed to do it for him.

As for Republican claims of “lying to the American people,” you have got to be pulling my leg!

From Perplexity:

During his presidency, Donald Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims, averaging about 21 per day according to The Washington Post‘s fact-checkers.

This unprecedented level of dishonesty has been characterized as a systematic campaign of misinformation, with historians noting that no other president has lied to such an extent or about such a wide range of issues.

Trump’s fabrications included significant policy matters and trivial personal anecdotes, contributing to a culture of distrust in political discourse.

END OF DISCUSSION.

No? You want more?

During his presidency, Donald Trump granted pardons to 144 individuals and commuted the sentences of 70 others. Notable pardons included:
• Paul Manafort: Former campaign chairman convicted of financial crimes.
• Roger Stone: Longtime ally convicted of lying to Congress.
• Steve Bannon: Former chief strategist charged with fraud.
• ***Charles Kushner: Father of Jared Kushner, convicted of tax evasion and witness tampering. (Al Capone, anyone?!)

Trump’s clemency actions often favored close associates and those with political connections, reflecting a pattern of using pardons for personal or political reasons.


*** Charles Kushner, the father of his son-in-law Jared (Ivanka’s husband), was convicted in 2005 on 18 federal charges, including tax evasion, witness tampering, and making false statements to the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

He admitted to assisting in filing false tax returns that overstated charitable contributions, resulting in significant losses to the IRS. (Pled guilty for reduced sentence and got a billionaire wrist slap)

Kushner’s scheme to intimidate his brother-in-law involved hiring a prostitute to lure him into a motel room. After the encounter, which was secretly recorded with hidden cameras, the footage was sent to his sister, the brother-in-law’s wife. This act was intended as retaliation after Kushner learned that his brother-in-law was cooperating with federal investigators against him.

This scheme contributed to Kushner’s conviction on charges of witness tampering, among other offenses, leading to a two-year prison sentence and a fine of $40,000.

Charles Kushner has just been named as Trump’s pick for U.S. Ambassador to France.

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Cry me a fucking river over Biden protecting his son from Trump and his vindictive cronies!!!
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Lol.

Chicagoblue let's not lie to ourselves, most of the people who are shocked or extremely disappointed by Biden's pardon are mostly all Democrats.

At worst, he simply did what Conservatives knew he was always going to do all along.

It's always the same people getting shocked by the blatantly obvious.

FFS, the DOJ purposely slow walked prosecution to let the statute of limitation run on as many crimes as possible. Then offered him a plea deal with blanket immunity.

All along the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world pretended this was an example of model Presidential behavior... It is those folks on CNN and MSDNC who are bending themselves into pretzels trying to walk back their claims.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don't think he is, personally. Now that he's been re-elected, his primary focus will not be squashing opposition nor fulfilling promises made to his voters but protecting himself from legal jeopardy (already to a great extent done) and enriching himself. The lust for power is not matched by a lust to do any actual, you know, work. If physically able, he'll play a lot of golf and spend a lot of time in Florida. Once in awhile he'll make a speech or visit a foreign nation. He'll lie a lot; he'll blame others for every little thing that goes wrong (Fed Chair Powell will be the next Fauci -- I 100% guarantee it). Now his idiot acolytes may do a lot of damage and the rhetoric won't be toned down. But I'm increasingly of the view that, since I wanted a President I can ignore, I very well might be able to ignore him, because he's a lame duck. I suspect many of the rational voices left in the GOP are relieved because there's finally an end in sight -- four years at the most.
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Huh! Only if this information was available prior to the election that was going to end Democracy.... Hmmm!

FogBlueInSanFran said:
Of course, that doesn't mean Trump 2.0 whomever that is won't be worse or more dangerous. The biggest problem is how his election suggests character is not now only irrelevant as a decision point, but how bad character is actually rewarded with the highest office in the land. If you're willing to vote for a convicted felon as President, how can anyone trust your ability to make a decision on much else?
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Denial
FogBlueInSanFran said:
While I can calmly criticiz(s)e Biden for his really bad decision to pardon his son without any cognitive dissonance,
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Bargaining is

FogBlueInSanFran said:
I promise you none of the serial dipshits who post here in support of Trump will say a single bad word about any decision he makes between now and his death.
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Anger

Understandable. The veil was broken. So it makes sense that you are angry. We are not your enemies though. No one who opposed your candidate is your enemy. We didn't lie to you. Biden did.

FogBlueInSanFran said:
I'm not kidding when I say that if he raped their daughters while they watched as their children screamed in terror and pain, they'd excuse him blithely, and keep voting for him. Ask them -- they won't answer, or they'll say they wouldn't vote, but they won't say "I'd' vote for the opponent." That line about shooting someone on 5th Avenue will be engraved on his tombstone. Props to him for understanding his base better than I ever could.
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Got nothing but love for you Foggy. Keep working through the process.
 
It's fun watching comment sections and social media across the interwebs. You can literally see the talking-points and spin change hour by hour as the borg are fed their lines.

"He, he didn't lie, he just changed his mind...also....but Trump!"

"What father wouldn't protect his son?"

"It's not our fault we believed Biden, it's Trump's fault!"

"There's nothing suspicious whatsoever about the scope and breadth of the pardon and, and, and... what about Charles Kushner?"

"The Ukraine? Never heard of it."

"It's not corruption, it's familial love."

I'm still amazed that honest Joe Biden who lectured America about Trump being an existential threat to democracy, and how protecting democracy was his sacred mission, how the greatest terrorist threat to America was White supremacy welcomed Mussolini to the White House, congratulated him, and promised complete co-operation in the transition of power.

And Dem voters aren't asking the obvious questions, instead, they continue to accuse Trump of being a fascist and his supporters are the stupid people easily duped and motivated by fear.
 
Dax777 said:
Huh! Only if this information was available prior to the election that was going to end Democracy.... Hmmm!


Denial

Bargaining is


Anger

Understandable. The veil was broken. So it makes sense that you are angry. We are not your enemies though. No one who opposed your candidate is your enemy. We didn't lie to you. Biden did.



Got nothing but love for you Foggy. Keep working through the process.
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You aren't my enemy directly -- you are my LGTBQ kid's enemy. So mine indirectly, yes.
 
@anyoneonthefarleft.

He's either a Nazi or not. People on here said he was before, so.. is he? It's a simple question and no-one can answer it.

The whole Nazi narrative was ridiculous and hyperbolic, pushed by the media and it backfired.

Nazi rallies

Racist

Garbage people

Dictator

I could go on..
 
Dax777 said:
Lol.

Chicagoblue let's not lie to ourselves, most of the people who are shocked or extremely disappointed by Biden's pardon are mostly all Democrats.

At worst, he simply did what Conservatives knew he was always going to do all along.

It's always the same people getting shocked by the blatantly obvious.

FFS, the DOJ purposely slow walked prosecution to let the statute of limitation run on as many crimes as possible. Then offered him a plea deal with blanket immunity.

All along the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world pretended this was an example of model Presidential behavior... It is those folks on CNN and MSDNC who are bending themselves into pretzels trying to walk back their claims.
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If you honestly think ANYONE is shocked, then I’m not sure what I can say to relieve you of the notion.

Sure, people will SAY anything, but in reality? Come on. Even you’re not that obtuse, or desperate to try to secure a political point, are you?

Let’s all grow up about this issue and understand that EVERY PRESIDENT would have done this. EVERY.FUCKING.ONE.
 
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