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Anyways, I think we should all bicker less, and try to find things we agree on.


It's not good for any of us all this bickering.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
If you were, you wouldn't have said what you said about weaponization of the DOJ (nor called it the GOP instead of the DOJ).

But you're right -- what I want you to be is a poster who doesn't make factual mistakes.
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We all make mistakes. Let's not attack each other so much
 
I think Hegseth is toast. Hope so.

This is an EXCELLENT article on Donald Trump's penchant for alternative facts.

What PolitiFact learned in 1,000 fact-checks of Donald Trump ​

It's not unusual for politicians of both parties to mislead, exaggerate or make stuff up. But few share Trump’s disregard for factual accuracy.​

www.poynter.org

What PolitiFact learned in 1,000 fact-checks of Donald Trump - Poynter

It's not unusual for politicians of both parties to mislead, exaggerate or make stuff up. But few share Trump’s disregard for factual accuracy.
www.poynter.org www.poynter.org
 
Dax777 said:
Doesn't explain the pardon for crimes committed from up to 2 years before his tax issues and 4 years before his gun issue.

Like Ive said, I'm not surprised. But let's not pretend to not understand what's happening.
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You’ve finally stumbled into the truth with the above (bolded) statement, even though the first was a swing and a miss!

If you can’t work it out from there, I can’t help you any further, because I’m tired of repeating myself.
 
Username Required said:
There is one aspect of American exceptionalism about which no one in this country should be proud: The United States is the only country in the world that regularly sells the title “ambassador.” What may be even worse is that efforts to limit the practice may become yet another victim of the hyper-partisan politics of Washington.
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Never said it’s not common now that money rules politics.

I long for the day when (if?) money could be taken out of the equation. Alas, the Supremes have said “money is free speech!” Mental!
 
Username Required said:
There is one aspect of American exceptionalism about which no one in this country should be proud: The United States is the only country in the world that regularly sells the title “ambassador.” What may be even worse is that efforts to limit the practice may become yet another victim of the hyper-partisan politics of Washington.

This uniquely American tradition is so deeply rooted that it has become a quadrennial punch line. At the start of every presidential term, journalists ask about the latest crop of “pay-to-play” ambassadors. The White House press spokesperson often responds by making a joke about it. For example, in 2009, the reason that spokesman Robert Gibbs gave for former President Obama’s choice of Louis Susman as ambassador to London was that he was fluent in the local language.

It even expanded under the Trump administration because there were new ways to give besides campaign contributions. One could make a deposit directly into the president’s pocket by paying dues as members of former President Trump’s golf clubs — eight people evidently secured ambassadorships this way. Writing a check for $1 million for the inauguration apparently helped to get Woody Johnson to the Court of St. James and Gordon Sondland, a nice place to stay in Brussels when he wasn’t in Ukraine.


Obama picks financial backer for UK ambassador post​


Chicago friend Louis Susman chosen for plum posting despite president's promise to end cronyism in Washington

London is not the only posting being used to reward political supporters. Other positions in Europe are expected to be filled on the basis of patronage. Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team, who campaigned for Obama, is to be the ambassador to Dublin.

Obama's predecessor, George W Bush, sent two of his financier backers to the UK: William Farish, a Texas multimillionaire, and Robert Tuttle, a California car dealer.

www.theguardian.com

Barack Obama picks Louis Susman for UK ambassador post

Chicago friend Louis Susman chosen for plum posting despite Obama's promise to end cronyism in Washington
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Obama’s New Ambassador Nominees Gave Big — and Bundled Bigger​

Obama's New Ambassador Nominees Gave Big - and Bundled Bigger - OpenSecrets News

The latest batch of picks for U.S. ambassadorships–along with their spouses and children–have contributed at least $637,800 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1989, including $32,775 to Obama himself. These people also brought in at least $1.1 million for Obama's presidential...
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org

President Obama announced another 10 names for ambassadorships last week, and in doing so, he awarded another set of big donors and bundlers with plum positions representing U.S. interests abroad. The new nominees for ambassadors to Belize, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Romania and Switzerland–along with their spouses and dependent children–have contributed at least $637,800 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1989, CRP has found. Nearly that entire sum has gone to Democrats, including $32,775 to Obama himself and $8,300 to former primary opponent and now-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. These individuals also brought in at least $1.1 million for Obama’s presidential bid as bundlers, and at least another half-a-million as bundlers for his inauguration.

Obama's ambassador picks: Pay to play?
Andy Card and Reihan Salam discuss President Obama handing ambassadorships to his biggest donors.
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A bit overwrought but fair -- was going to comment on same. Pay to Play Ambassadorships (and it can just be lifelong friendships or other longstanding connections not necessarily financial) have been a Presidential quid pro quo for eons.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You’ve finally stumbled into the truth with the above (bolded) statement, even though the first was a swing and a miss!

If you can’t work it out from there, I can’t help you any further, because I’m tired of repeating myself.
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Not mad at you.
 
For all those bemoaning the pardoning of Hunter Biden after he committed the heinous crimes of incorrectly filling out a gun licence application, and failure to pay taxes (which were paid back in full, with interest and fines) at the height of his addiction to drugs, crimes which are rarely prosecuted, and considering the incoming Trump administration had him in their sights for further prosecutions, at least Joe Biden didn't offer him the position of Ambassador to France.

Here are the crimes of Trump's pick for Ambassador to France:


The Republican pearl clutching is utterly pathetic.
 
In "We Got Him Now!" news...

A Georgia Judge (a Democrat) has ordered Fani Willis to turn over any and all communications between her office and Jack Smith or the Democrat January 6th Committee to Judicial Watch. She has 5 days. She must also pay attorneys fees.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
For all those bemoaning the pardoning of Hunter Biden after he committed the heinous crimes of incorrectly filling out a gun licence application, and failure to pay taxes (which were paid back in full, with interest and fines) at the height of his addiction to drugs, crimes which are rarely prosecuted, and considering the incoming Trump administration had him in their sights for further prosecutions, at least Joe Biden didn't offer him the position of Ambassador to France.

Here are the crimes of Trump's pick for Ambassador to France:


The Republican pearl clutching is utterly pathetic.
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You think people are really upset at the pardon? A pardon whose scope is the stuff of Nixon. A pardon that screams it's an admission of guilt about the Ukraine etc. WE'RE LAUGHING.

Oooops. No more 5th Amendment protection for Hunter.

We're laughing at the people who believed Joe Biden when he said he wouldn't do what he has done because, you know, principles.

He flat out lied to your face for over year and all you can do is deflections about Trump.

The Democrat deflections are utterly pathetic. Fucking own it.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Not mad at you, either. :-)
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Username Required said:
You think people are really upset at the pardon? A pardon whose scope is the stuff of Nixon. A pardon that screams it's an admission of guilt about the Ukraine etc. WE'RE LAUGHING.

Oooops. No more 5th Amendment protection for Hunter.

We're laughing at the people who believed Joe Biden when he said he wouldn't do what he has done because, you know, principles.

He flat out lied to your face for over year and all you can do is deflections about Trump.

The Democrat deflections are utterly pathetic. Fucking own it.
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R's have ZERO moral high ground on pardon's. I know you are desperate for them to go after the Biden's (and probably the Clinton's, and anyone else who called your side 'deplorables'), but if there had been a shred of evidence that Biden had done anything close to illegal, and then tried to cover it up, your lot would have set Gym Jordan loose and rolled out an impeachment in a heartbeat.

Republicans had 4 whole years to some up with something, and when they couldn't find anything, they spitefully went after Hunter Biden for crimes rarely prosecuted at any level. Definitely shades of Joe McCarthy's persecution and attempted blackmail of Senator Lester Hunt for his son's minor digressions. Hunt went on to commit suicide as a result. (https://www.boisestate.edu/bluereview/shocking-death-senator-lester-hunt/).

If you think the Republican 'Justice' Department are going to be spending the next 4 years doing the work of the people of America, you're pissing in the wind. They'll be in full retribution mode, going through Trump's enemies list.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
R's have ZERO moral high ground on pardon's. I know you are desperate for them to go after the Biden's (and probably the Clinton's, and anyone else who called your side 'deplorables'), but if there had been a shred of evidence that Biden had done anything close to illegal, and then tried to cover it up, your lot would have set Gym Jordan loose and rolled out an impeachment in a heartbeat.

Republicans had 4 whole years to some up with something, and when they couldn't find anything, they spitefully went after Hunter Biden for crimes rarely prosecuted at any level. Definitely shades of Joe McCarthy's persecution and attempted blackmail of Senator Lester Hunt for his son's minor digressions. Hunt went on to commit suicide as a result. (https://www.boisestate.edu/bluereview/shocking-death-senator-lester-hunt/).

If you think the Republican 'Justice' Department are going to be spending the next 4 years doing the work of the people of America, you're pissing in the wind. They'll be in full retribution mode, going through Trump's enemies list.
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lol "Your lot". I'm a Massachusetts Independent that has never voted for Trump. You're all such binary thinkers when it comes to this stuff, which is ironic when you think about it.

The ghost of Joe McCarthy! I'm crying. It'll be Torquemada next. The Gestapo with piano wire! Who knew Merrick Garland worked for Trump. It's confusing because I thought Democrats were hot stuff when it came to gun laws and everyone paying their fair share. Lead by example eh? It's what I'd expect society's superior people to do.

And you still can't admit Joe Biden lied and you bought it.

And if you thought Joe Biden was wrong for saying he would never pardon his son "for crimes rarely prosecuted at any level" you should have spoken out at the time. Did you? Or was it politically expedient for Biden and the Democrats to give the impression that Biden was above and beyond it all when it came to the administration of the law and respecting grand juries and juries - a nice contrast during the election run in to the lawless Donald Trump.

You know, you're right, we ought to go after the Clintons.

The New York Times has reported that leaders of a Canadian mining company with extensive U.S. uranium stakes made large donations to the Clinton family foundation at a time when Russia was acquiring the firm in a deal approved by the State Department under Hillary Clinton.

According to the report, Canadian records show that "a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation" as the Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom was in the process of assuming control of the Canadian company, Uranium One, in three transactions from 2009 to 2013.

The Times said the deal, which gave Russia control of one-fifth of the U.S. uranium production capacity, required approval by a committee composed of representatives of several U.S. government agencies. It said the State Department, under Clinton, "eventually signed off" on it.

The newspaper quoted a spokesman for Clinton's campaign as saying nobody "has ever produced a shred of evidence that she ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation."

The Times said that Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.25 million, and that other people with ties to the company also had made donations.

It said that not long after Russia announced its intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Bill Clinton "received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."

The New York Times report said it was unclear whether the donations played any role in approval of the deal, which advanced Russian President Vladimir Putin's goal of increasing the Russian share of the world uranium supply chain.
 
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