VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Bigga said:
Okay, so points of agreement as to where the game is slowed down, it could be looked at. Cramp should moved off the pitch? Agreed.

I don't see any player/ manager using head injury 'to stop a game'. As it stands, players are made to go off the pitch depending on type of injury, possibly causing them to sub or leave the team exposed. Not really sure about genius tactic of that move?!

As for rugby not being "comparable", it doesn't have to be or nobody would try anything innovative anywhere for anything. It's about trying to solve unfair actions and issues on the pitch, is it not?

Personally, I want to be represented on the pitch when some dirty oppo is clearly cheating, and that includes the ref, I want my capt to speak up for me about it.
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Or alternativelee, get back to non var and get on with it.
 
Bigga said:
The reason the discussion is happening is that there's no going back. Football needed to modernise with the times and try to solve injustice.

It's here. The only option is to find ways of improving it.
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Nothing will ''solve injustice'' as u call it. This is sport and not alwas ''fair''.
 
Bigga said:
Hmm...

So, how would you know the 'judges' have no biases in doing their job? We know there are biased refs, so why not judges? Will the judges explain their decision making process? Will a dissenting judge or two get to explain why they chose to oppose? Do journos get to interview them?

To me, your system is far less immersive. It would mean we can't voice our own contention to decisions which is a natural part of the game that is football. In rugby, the self discipline is super high, so it would work there.

As I've said, I prefer representation on the pitch.
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At least ive outlined an idea unlike youself

Bias? They would also be monitored over time to see if they are displaying any bias, using an algorithm.

Each judge is sat alone not able to consult they are seeing incidents like the ref in real time no slow motion or freeze frame and would have a set time to decide If 2 or more "vote" a decision is made communicated to the ref.

There would be no influence from anyone, like there is in the VAR room today. Have you heard the audio between them all? It's too matey matey and constant chat there is no need for it. There would be no worries about the hierarchal influence as well. No, they would justify their decisions or speak to the media why would they? I think you don't understand the fact that most decisions in football are subjective

What do you mean by immersive why wouldn't "we be able to voice our own contention"

Finally I don't give a shite about rugby its imho an awful game consisting of stop stop, stop kicking the object out of play maybe this why you aren't worried about stopping play to all appeals?

Self disciple yeah right
 
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bluealf said:
Why does it work in Rugby and Cricket but not in football?

Pre-VAR Rags and the Scouse got everything, now they still get a lot but not everything.
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Because rugby and cricket is mainly stop and the decisions are less subjective than football
 
bluealf said:
Why does it work in Rugby and Cricket but not in football?

Pre-VAR Rags and the Scouse got everything, now they still get a lot but not everything.
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I think the people who govern and arbitrate those sports have the good of the sport central to any lawmaking and decision making. We have seen enough of how VAR operates to see that those who govern and arbitrate football have a different agenda.
 
Gordyola said:
At least ive outlined an idea unlike youself

Bias? They would also be monitored over time to see if they are displaying any bias, using an algorithm.

Each judge is sat alone not able to consult they are seeing incidents like the ref in real time no slow motion or freeze frame and would have a set time to decide If 2 or more "vote" a decision is made communicated to the ref.

There would be no influence from anyone, like there is in the VAR room today. Have you heard the audio between them all? It's too matey matey and constant chat there is no need for it. There would be no worries about the hierarchal influence as well. No, they would justify their decisions or speak to the media why would they? I think you don't understand the fact that most decisions in football are subjective

What do you mean by immersive why wouldn't "we be able to voice our own contention"

Finally I don't give a shite about rugby its imho an awful game consisting of stop stop, stop kicking the object out of play maybe this why you aren't worried about stopping play to all appeals?

Self disciple yeah right
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Wait, so a 'challenge' system is not an idea? Okay.

In order for you not to have potential bias, you would have to get 3 judges from an entirely different sport to learn about the game and what they're looking at. In that case, fair dinkums it's got legs...

Except it's a poor idea just as a presentation. Just my opinion, like.

As for 'immersive' I mean the capt is heard. Right now, they're ignored. By being 'involved' they will be voicing our contention, wouldn't they? It's not rocket science.

And you should think about rugby. You should think about tennis, cricket and American football, who all use a system to review plays, cheating, who started violence and action in play. If you want to remain behind in an age where we all were fucked off at absolute bullshit decisions, fine.

I'm just someone who wants fair play for my club as I'm sure others want for theirs.
 
VAR has predictably been weaponised in favour of the cartel. Once the semi-automated off side comes in, alongside the goal line technology, I would sack off the rest. It’s not added anything to the game, in fact the contrary.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
VAR has predictably been weaponised in favour of the cartel. Once the semi-automated off side comes in, alongside the goal line technology, I would sack off the rest. It’s not added anything to the game, in fact the contrary.
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True and the semi-automated off side has been delayed, so the PL/SKY can abuse it, the clue is in semi. As for VAR we need to keep it, because without it we return to SKY choosing who wins which game, with no point of responsibility. Eventually the stats will show VAR cheating, or rather the people using it, then we may well get an end to SKY and their antics.
 
Bigga said:
Wait, so a 'challenge' system is not an idea? Okay.

In order for you not to have potential bias, you would have to get 3 judges from an entirely different sport to learn about the game and what they're looking at. In that case, fair dinkums it's got legs...

Except it's a poor idea just as a presentation. Just my opinion, like.

As for 'immersive' I mean the capt is heard. Right now, they're ignored. By being 'involved' they will be voicing our contention, wouldn't they? It's not rocket science.

And you should think about rugby. You should think about tennis, cricket and American football, who all use a system to review plays, cheating, who started violence and action in play. If you want to remain behind in an age where we all were fucked off at absolute bullshit decisions, fine.

I'm just someone who wants fair play for my club as I'm sure others want for theirs.
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Why from other sports its nonsense to imply that there is no one in football with our sufficient levels of independence
Any how this is addressed by the monitoring which you have chosen to ignore

Im not doing a presentation its floating a loose idea

Like I said the bias ( according to you ) reviewers of the captains challenge would likely to side with their mate on the pitch I still haven't seen a "presentation" from you as to how this system would work, using the captain has got so many flaws. Example of Walker being called to the Oliver when he brought the two captains together v Arsenal and Walker not being given time to get back into position resulting in a goal

I never think about Rugby its a totally different sport like all the others you mentioned all stop start unlike football More similar would be hockey for one example

I don't think its as bad as you are trying to make out and how a couple of options to appeal would make any real difference Im baffled as to how they would

Things I would suggest to improve football Some are a bit blue sky but only ideas

A timer that stops every time the ball is dead, play 30mins of play each half

When time is up on the clock, the match ends when the ball is next dead

Fly subs: Players would be signaled that they are coming off by a vibration in the boots, they exit at closest point

Head injury means a 10 minute concussion review and concussion subs

Play being stopped for a player showing injury, they have to leave the pitch regardless of treatment or not

Handball in penalty area: Criteria would be, did the handball stop a goal scoring opportunity if not then not given

DoGSO: Instead of a red card the ref awards a penalty goal and a yellow card.
Think about this before its dismissed and a couple of scenarios to illustrate why
If its in the first minute the team plays with 10 men for virtually the whole, this probably ruins the game as a contest The offender servers 89mins and the next game for the offense If its in the 89 minute its 1 min and one game so unequal punishment
Last game of season, two teams equal on points at top of league Its 0:0 last minute a DoGSO occurs red card and the offender's team win the league. Under my system the team offended against gets a goal and wins the league but because of the threat of a pen-goal the defender doesn't foul and either the attacker scores or misses the contest is decide by football not effectively cheating
 
Gordyola said:
Why from other sports its nonsense to imply that there is no one in football with our sufficient levels of independence
Any how this is addressed by the monitoring which you have chosen to ignore

Im not doing a presentation its floating a loose idea

Like I said the bias ( according to you ) reviewers of the captains challenge would likely to side with their mate on the pitch I still haven't seen a "presentation" from you as to how this system would work, using the captain has got so many flaws. Example of Walker being called to the Oliver when he brought the two captains together v Arsenal and Walker not being given time to get back into position resulting in a goal

I never think about Rugby its a totally different sport like all the others you mentioned all stop start unlike football More similar would be hockey for one example

I don't think its as bad as you are trying to make out and how a couple of options to appeal would make any real difference Im baffled as to how they would

Things I would suggest to improve football Some are a bit blue sky but only ideas

A timer that stops every time the ball is dead, play 30mins of play each half

When time is up on the clock, the match ends when the ball is next dead

Fly subs: Players would be signaled that they are coming off by a vibration in the boots, they exit at closest point

Head injury means a 10 minute concussion review and concussion subs

Play being stopped for a player showing injury, they have to leave the pitch regardless of treatment or not

Handball in penalty area: Criteria would be, did the handball stop a goal scoring opportunity if not then not given

DoGSO: Instead of a red card the ref awards a penalty goal and a yellow card.
Think about this before its dismissed and a couple of scenarios to illustrate why
If its in the first minute the team plays with 10 men for virtually the whole, this probably ruins the game as a contest The offender servers 89mins and the next game for the offense If its in the 89 minute its 1 min and one game so unequal punishment
Last game of season, two teams equal on points at top of league Its 0:0 last minute a DoGSO occurs red card and the offender's team win the league. Under my system the team offended against gets a goal and wins the league but because of the threat of a pen-goal the defender doesn't foul and either the attacker scores or misses the contest is decide by football not effectively cheating
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Firstly, I'm amused by the fact that my thoughts of improvement is "solid" whereas yours is only a "loose idea"!

It's just bizarre not to look at other examples of sport to find improvement in football. It's like saying a horse and cart is a great way to get around, why do you need a car, plane or boat?!

Your attempted dismantling of refs having 'mates' on the pitch is the same as your 'judges' offering. So, what's the difference? As for your 'judges' what part of an 'incident' would they agree to look at? Who suggests what? What if there are multiple actions in a phase of play, some innocuous, some more serious? Who agrees what part plays a part in the play? What if it takes longer than 2 mins to get to consensus? Why 2 mins and not 3 or 4?

Now you would like 30mins of football and timer stoppages? Do the fans pay less for less actual football then?

Time is up on the clock and the game is finished at next dead ball is similar to rugby, but with phase of play. I thought we weren't copying 'rubbish' rugby?

Vibrating boots to tell a player to come off the pitch? What if the boot is faulty? What if the player chooses to ignore the "vibrations"?

No offence, but if those are your ideas of game improvement, that's just nuts!

Your DoSGO thing is a complete non-starter, so I'm not going to pull that apart! You claim you want the game to 'go back to normal' and then suggest these ideas! It sounds like a Yank just learning about the game!

Might as well play the game in 15 min chucks with live adverts and drinks served in the gaps!
 
stonerblue said:
Because they are totally different sports
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What has that got to do with it, it is a guy in a booth judging a decision made on the field of play, with the use of video technology.

So in fact there is zero difference despite it being Rugby, Cricket or football.

The reason it works is because each decision is explained live to the ref and the crowd at the same time, there is no hidden ulterior motive, no secrecy, no skullduggery and no bias.
 
Gordyola said:
Because rugby and cricket is mainly stop and the decisions are less subjective than football
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maybe cricket but not Rugby for example when a foul is committed in Rugby, the decision is explained fully so everybody can hear the process or even for a try it is open and honest.

VAR is anything but open and honest
 
bluealf said:
What has that got to do with it, it is a guy in a booth judging a decision made on the field of play, with the use of video technology.

So in fact there is zero difference despite it being Rugby, Cricket or football.

The reason it works is because each decision is explained live to the ref and the crowd at the same time, there is no hidden ulterior motive, no secrecy, no skullduggery and no bias.
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No, the reason it works is because rugby, like cricket, is a stop/start game.
 
stonerblue said:
No, the reason it works is because rugby, like cricket, is a stop/start game.
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and football isn't a stop start game, the ball is only in play for 50 minutes of the 90.

The terminal wait for a VAR decision has the game stopped for way longer than in rugby or cricket but I think you are skirting around the main point of it being open and honest and the fact their decisions are very rarely wrong, unlike football when lots of them are shockingly bad in the interpretation of the incident, again due to the secret squirrel operations of the PL and Pigmol
 
bluealf said:
and football isn't a stop start game, the ball is only in play for 50 minutes of the 90.

The terminal wait for a VAR decision has the game stopped for way longer than in rugby or cricket but I think you are skirting around the main point of it being open and honest and the fact their decisions are very rarely wrong, unlike football when lots of them are shockingly bad in the interpretation of the incident, again due to the secret squirrel operations of the PL and Pigmol
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Nobody stops for a throw in and nobody used to stop for free kicks.
 
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