The Labour Government

BigJoe#1 said:
PEOPLE.... Hush your mouths and be silent.... the Messiah, the font of all knowledge and the master of all wisdom has spoken.

Just be thankful he is in our midst and here to guide us.
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Do you believe the Tories told fewer lies than Labour?

Did you do well at school Joe? That's a rhetorical question btw. I can already work out the answer.
 
KDB Fan said:
I disagree the alternative would have been worse...this current government is rock bottom for me. Paying billions to give away territory while everyone freezes at home with the highest energy bills in the world that keep on rising is beyond madness!

I don't blame anyone for not voting for the Tories though, they told nearly as many lies as the current government.
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Wanting to go against international courts and ruin our international reputation, particularly for the rule of law, would be beyond madness to me.
 
Hertzblue said:
Ffs Vic it appears you would start an argument in an empty room.
" I dispute there is a deep state"
I didn't say there was and I have no interest in discussing it.
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You responded to a post where Cummings concluded "the whole deep state knows it" by saying "Yep, exactly what I thought it'd be."

Anyone would think the Americans would never pay to lease land for their foreign bases. One base in Djibouti costs the USA $63M a year. For people like Cummings and Jenrick (and you?) legal stuff is small fry. Whereas this sort of negotiation is so important that Harvard law school will even offer you a chance to play negotiator. https://www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/t...camp-lemonnier-new-simulation-and-case-study/

(The US pays Cuba to misuse Guantanamo Bay - but Cuba refuses to cash the checks for their unwanted presence.)
 
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“Everyone knows about the Chagos Islands”

Meanwhile, in the real world, half people polled don’t know whether it is the right decision as they don’t know where they are or how they’re used, so have no opinion on them.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Meantime interest rates dropping down to lowest level in a few years … that will help growth in the economy which you wouldn’t give Labour any credit for anyway.
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Rate cuts aren’t anti growth in their own right but I’m curious which Labour policy / policies made the rate cut possible?

I’m happy to give Labour credit if you can answer that, and you must know because you think we should be giving them credit.

I won’t wait.
 
metalblue said:
Rate cuts aren’t anti growth in their own right but I’m curious which Labour policy / policies made the rate cut possible?

I’m happy to give Labour credit if you can answer that, and you must know because you think we should be giving them credit.

I won’t wait.
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well i assumed after outrage from the budget that jobs would be destroyed, there would be lower wages, increase in mortgage payments, inflation would go through the roof and the financial markets would crash .. not quite how it's turning out - in fact wages are going up higher than inflation, mortgages going down and people will have more money to spend and get the growth going.
the economy was never going to be turned around in 6/7 months with the economic polices the labour had to do.
Investments in AI, Nuclear, Infrastructure will also aid towards growth. Its looking rather positive.
Only worry is the tango Mussolini across the pond who is trying his best to destabilize the world - even then Starmer is handling that really well.
 
Well I can't recall Dominic Cummings lying his cock off about anything in the last 5 years. Honest.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
well i assumed after outrage from the budget that jobs would be destroyed, there would be lower wages, increase in mortgage payments, inflation would go through the roof and the financial markets would crash .. not quite how it's turning out - in fact wages are going up higher than inflation, mortgages going down and people will have more money to spend and get the growth going.
the economy was never going to be turned around in 6/7 months with the economic polices the labour had to do.
Investments in AI, Nuclear, Infrastructure will also aid towards growth. Its looking rather positive.
Only worry is the tango Mussolini across the pond who is trying his best to destabilize the world - even then Starmer is handling that really well.
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Ok so there are no policy or policies that were instrumental in the BoE cutting interest rates. Glad we cleared that up.

Wage growth in 2024 was front loaded, when we had economic growth so really stems from pre Labour. Now if your bar is that they haven’t fucked things up to truss’s level of insanity then it’s a low bar but I’ll give you that one. On the other hand you can’t really say 6/7 months isn’t long enough to turn things around but then give them credit for any good news story. Reeves did that the other day and looked a right tit in the process saying she inherited a mess and none of this zero growth is her fault but she’s got inflation down and that’s all down to her good work and policy decisions (I paraphrase here)- the whopper.

All that aside I do agree that 6/7 months isn’t sufficient to put your own stamp on the economy and I suspect Sunak called the election when he did because he knew the economy was at a high point for 2024. Reeves has made some mistakes for sure, like many of her colleagues, and it’s not all burning around her, so let’s see where we are 6/12 months from now.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
well i assumed after outrage from the budget that jobs would be destroyed, there would be lower wages, increase in mortgage payments, inflation would go through the roof and the financial markets would crash .. not quite how it's turning out - in fact wages are going up higher than inflation, mortgages going down and people will have more money to spend and get the growth going.
the economy was never going to be turned around in 6/7 months with the economic polices the labour had to do.
Investments in AI, Nuclear, Infrastructure will also aid towards growth. Its looking rather positive.
Only worry is the tango Mussolini across the pond who is trying his best to destabilize the world - even then Starmer is handling that really well.
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Tell that to the sick and disabled.
 
Don Karleone said:
Tell that to the sick and disabled.
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No government will ever please no matter what they did, we know that.
I have more faith that Labor care and will prioritize the NHS, care etc than any other party despite having to make tough choices when the country is on it's knees.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No government will ever please no matter what they did, we know that.
I have more faith that Labor care and will prioritize the NHS, care etc than any other party despite having to make tough choices when the country is on it's knees.
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Tough choices my arse, they have been itching to do it even before they got into power. People will die because of the cuts to disability and sickness benefits. It's looking positive for the same people that it always does.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
well i assumed after outrage from the budget that jobs would be destroyed, there would be lower wages, increase in mortgage payments, inflation would go through the roof and the financial markets would crash .. not quite how it's turning out - in fact wages are going up higher than inflation, mortgages going down and people will have more money to spend and get the growth going.
the economy was never going to be turned around in 6/7 months with the economic polices the labour had to do.
Investments in AI, Nuclear, Infrastructure will also aid towards growth. Its looking rather positive.
Only worry is the tango Mussolini across the pond who is trying his best to destabilize the world - even then Starmer is handling that really well.
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As someone who has been "buggering about" for want of a better phrase with Sizewell, Hinkley Point and Rolls Royce's SMR projects, its old news just being re-announced. Like the majority of the rail infrastructure projects, its a case of give it a slightly changed name or redo the feasibility stage and call it a new project. To be fair its the same game as the Conservatives played for the previous 5 yrs of office. Problem is most of the general public dont know or realise this, they dont think about the projects that are cancelled (e.g. A303 tunnel) when a shiny new one is waved infront of them.

The Lower Thames Crossing, already had £800m in planning/feasibility spent on it and whilst the commitment sound bite is welcome, they are still unclear how it will be funded and if it will be via a public private partnership or not.

The DfT, to put it simply, is in a bit of a mess and National Highways nor Network Rail have clarity on what schemes they can fund.

As regards interest rate cuts, yes its potentially good for business but it will need to be very slow and steady, so as not to drive inflation. Yes it may stimulate growth but in reality the UK needs is growth via productivity gains which require policy certainty and investment in infrastructure and technology.

Job losses well we wait to see, but it tends to be a lagging indicator by around 6 months after policy decisions are enacted. There are already recruitment freezes across various sectors and the number of jobs currently being advertised has fallen substantially. The UKs retail sector in particular looks most likely to see the largest staff reductions.

Personally Im willing to give them time, but some of the decisions so far have seemed at odds with their manifesto and public statements prior to the election, any more so that the Tories, probably not.

To claim a victory or defeat on any of their actions at this stage is still too premature, lets see where we are in 6 to 8 months time and if the growth indicators are more positive along with unemployment not increasing then Labour can rightfully claim some success.
 
Don Karleone said:
Tough choices my arse, they have been itching to do it even before they got into power. People will die because of the cuts to disability and sickness benefits. It's looking positive for the same people that it always does.
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So why have they raised carers allowance ? The largest increase to earnings limit since 1976

Why have they put £1bn to boost special educational needs ?

Why have they spent £86m for disabled facilities grant to support home adaptations?

And more.

Do you not think once Labour can get growth going and more investment, then they can get the funds to make further help towards sick, disabled and the NHS?

We’ve had 14 years of Tories that did not help at all and made everything worse in our society - let’s not pretend Labour are the same after 6/7 months having to take all this on.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So why have they raised carers allowance ? The largest increase to earnings limit since 1976

Why have they put £1bn to boost special educational needs ?

Why have they spent £86m for disabled facilities grant to support home adaptations?

And more.

Do you not think once Labour can get growth going and more investment, then they can get the funds to make further help towards sick, disabled and the NHS?

We’ve had 14 years of Tories that did not help at all and made everything worse in our society - let’s not pretend Labour are the same after 6/7 months having to take all this on.
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I can't wait to get an extra £1.40 a week in carers' allowance. As for the rest, it won't touch the sides. We were told that those with the broadest shoulders would take the hit, and yet here we are, demonising the poorest again.
 
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