The Labour Government

Alan Harper's Tash said:
Boris would be a common name if he were to live with his benefactors.
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I don't disagree bud. However, all the political parties are riddled with dubious donors and they should all be treated with contempt. My dad is 90 this year and was a shop steward most of his working life. At the time of the miners strike he was appalled that trade unions and the Labour party did not agree to reduce the unions donations to the party at a time when they were people starving in parts of the UK.

My dad at the time worked at Kelloggs in Trafford park and his fellow shop stewards and himself successfully 'nagged' the management there to allow them to purchase a huge amount of cereal packets for a penny each. My dad then on a Sunday would borrow a large twin axel van to deliver them to various food kitchens in Lancashire and Yorkshire. I used to help him with the deliveries and what I saw then still has an affect on me to this day. My lasting impression was the labour party and the unions didn't care about the people as when a large number of people needed them they turned the other way.

Don't get me started on the tories I can't tell you how much I dislike that bunch of crooks.
 
Brooklands Blue said:
I don't disagree bud. However, all the political parties are riddled with dubious donors and they should all be treated with contempt. My dad is 90 this year and was a shop steward most of his working life. At the time of the miners strike he was appalled that trade unions and the Labour party did not agree to reduce the unions donations to the party at a time when they were people starving in parts of the UK.

My dad at the time worked at Kelloggs in Trafford park and his fellow shop stewards and himself successfully 'nagged' the management there to allow them to purchase a huge amount of cereal packets for a penny each. My dad then on a Sunday would borrow a large twin axel van to deliver them to various food kitchens in Lancashire and Yorkshire. I used to help him with the deliveries and what I saw then still has an affect on me to this day. My lasting impression was the labour party and the unions didn't care about the people as when a large number of people needed them they turned the other way.

Don't get me started on the tories I can't tell you how much I dislike that bunch of crooks.
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The bar has definitely been lowered in the standard of politicians.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Do we really need Mother Teresa though given that you’re here policing the threads and telling everyone how to behave, whether they’re interested or not?
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Would Mother Teresa have been willing to do the jobs at minimum wage others can't be arsed with is the question. The Purples want their Latte and Strawberries and fruit and coffee beans don't grow on trees you know. If they did poor Mother T would have struggled at her age and wearing those sandals:-)
 
KDB Fan said:
It happens now but with a fraction of the people who come here. Also, there's not an overall cap on migration that manages numbers in line with the infrastructure or homes that can be built.

Not sure the second point is weird, more basic common sense of not granting visas to nationals who are hugely over-represented in the criminal justice statistics. Americans don't make the list from what I can see:


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You definitely need to look at these things per capita. The UK prison population is 159 per 100,000 people. So 835 Polish people in prison out of 700,000 people is basically 120 per 100,000. So Polish people are a fair bit less likely to commit crime than UK citizens, which makes sense. The sort of people who move to another country to work tend to have their shit together enough to not want/need to resort to crime.

Estimates put Albanians at around 70,000 in England and Wales, which would put their incarceration rate at something like 1560 per 100,000 people. Presumably slightly less if we add in Scotland and N.Ireland's figures, but basically ten times the UK average. Assuming those figures are accurate, that is a genuine issue that needs looking at. There have definitely been cases in the past of Albanians coming over to the UK and claiming asylum as Kosovans fleeing the war, and I was surprised to learn that there were large numbers of Albanians still attempting to claim asylum in the UK. Sorry, but Albania isn't at war. There's no excuse. But there might be a criminal network facilitating this sort of thing.

It reminds me of a story from Vietnam. A while ago, a lot of countries started denying visas to Vietnamese people from a couple of provinces. Basically, these people had a reputation for overstaying their visas and basically disappearing. They weren't particularly rich provinces, but there was obviously a criminal network involved, advising people how to disappear and setting them up with jobs. In response, Vietnam decided they were going to remove the bit of the passport that said your birthplace. Overnight, they managed to invalidate the passport of every new applicant, as every other country refused to recognise them as valid, basically apparently the birthplace is part of the international standards for passports. They had to backtrack almost immediately.

But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if a similar thing happens with Albania.
 
KDB Fan said:
Only allow in the most highly skilled migrants that your infrastructure and housing can support and who are financially independent so they're not reliant upon social housing or benefits.

Also don't let people into the country if they're from countries with high levels of crime.
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Well, that's a great reason for not letting Trump in.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Yes, the last lot had an open borders policy and it's living standards. And no that argument does not stack up. If immigrants were contributing more than they take out the GDP ler person would go up not down.
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That doesn't follow at all, if the "indigenous" population is going off sick or just getting old.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
You definitely need to look at these things per capita. The UK prison population is 159 per 100,000 people. So 835 Polish people in prison out of 700,000 people is basically 120 per 100,000. So Polish people are a fair bit less likely to commit crime than UK citizens, which makes sense. The sort of people who move to another country to work tend to have their shit together enough to not want/need to resort to crime.

Estimates put Albanians at around 70,000 in England and Wales, which would put their incarceration rate at something like 1560 per 100,000 people. Presumably slightly less if we add in Scotland and N.Ireland's figures, but basically ten times the UK average. Assuming those figures are accurate, that is a genuine issue that needs looking at. There have definitely been cases in the past of Albanians coming over to the UK and claiming asylum as Kosovans fleeing the war, and I was surprised to learn that there were large numbers of Albanians still attempting to claim asylum in the UK. Sorry, but Albania isn't at war. There's no excuse. But there might be a criminal network facilitating this sort of thing.

It reminds me of a story from Vietnam. A while ago, a lot of countries started denying visas to Vietnamese people from a couple of provinces. Basically, these people had a reputation for overstaying their visas and basically disappearing. They weren't particularly rich provinces, but there was obviously a criminal network involved, advising people how to disappear and setting them up with jobs. In response, Vietnam decided they were going to remove the bit of the passport that said your birthplace. Overnight, they managed to invalidate the passport of every new applicant, as every other country refused to recognise them as valid, basically apparently the birthplace is part of the international standards for passports. They had to backtrack almost immediately.

But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if a similar thing happens with Albania.
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A lot of the Albanian claims for asylum are to frustrate removal, if they are encountered and arrested for immigration offences only then most will claim asylum as it prevents them being immediately detained and removed from the UK. Most don’t attend their asylum interviews and are off on their toes.
 
KDB Fan said:
Using a pseudonym isn't fraud, blagging the qualifications and experience on your CV to become Chancellor of the Exchequer is.
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Din’t really care for Reeves or many of her policies, but the faux outrage about slightly blagging her LinkedIn profile, like 99% of its members, is quite something. It’s hardly fucking Watergate is it.
 
KDB Fan said:
You're right, I haven't. Did they turn out to be Ukrainian in the end?
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If you read the link you pasted surely you would know that they never claimed to be and the ruling was not made on that basis. The Ukrainian resettlement scheme ended a year ago so what do you reckon the "loopho!e" is that Starmer and Badenoch were shadow boxing over?
 
Ric said:
Din’t really care for Reeves or many of her policies, but the faux outrage about slightly blagging her LinkedIn profile, like 99% of its members, is quite something. It’s hardly fucking Watergate is it.
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First question up on Question Time! Not Ukraine, not Gaza, not Trump Tariffs...
 
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