Russian invasion of Ukraine

grunge said:
the EU has nothing to do with what Member countries do on this front. the EU can provide support and Member states can provide there own support too.
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Do they all agree though very strange if they don’t have a united front, all I said was we don’t have to wait for anybody.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That’s absolutely fair comment in respect of tactical moves but the fact we cannot now rely on the States means we are isolated in a way that we wouldn’t otherwise be and means we’re got far less leverage with our European neighbours.
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Decent reply mate, to be honest not sure we’ve ever been able to rely totally on US without them wanting something in return, and as for the Europeans getting involved in European wars hasn’t really done us much good in recent history. I honestly think where military matters are concerned it’s best to rely on yourselves where possible and have some freedom of action.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Starmer saying the right things.

The prime minister began by reiterating the UK’s concrete support for Ukraine, for as long as it’s needed.

He was unequivocal that there could be no talks about Ukraine, without Ukraine.

Ukraine needed strong security guarantees, further lethal aid and a sovereign future, and it could count on the UK to step up, he added.

The prime minister reiterated the UK’s commitment to Ukraine being on an irreversible path to Nato, as agreed by allies at the Washington Summit last year.
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Good words from the PM. Now he has to back them with a significant increase in defence funding for the UK and Ukraine. If european history tells us anything its that we can't sit on our laurels when it comes to security in times like these.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Decent reply mate, to be honest not sure we’ve ever been able to rely totally on US without them wanting something in return, and as for the Europeans getting involved in European wars hasn’t really done us much good in recent history. I honestly think where military matters are concerned it’s best to rely on yourselves where possible and have some freedom of action.
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I think Russia poses such a threat that the need for Europe to be militarily united (I know you and won’t agree on politically or economically!) is paramount.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good words from the PM. Now he has to back them with a significant increase in defence funding for the UK and Ukraine. If european history tells us anything its that we can't sit on our laurels when it comes to security in times like these.
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Id sooner divert some/most of our over seas aid to strengthen our defence simply no us no aid...
 
i kne albert davy said:
Do they all agree though very strange if they don’t have a united front, all I said was we don’t have to wait for anybody.
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Nobody else has to wait either

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A joint statement from the Nordic-Baltic leaders: We stand fully and firmly behind Ukraine. Ukraine and Europe must be involved in any negotiations to achieve just and lasting peace. https://www.government.se/statements/2025/02/joint-statement-from-the-nordic-baltic-leaders/
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i kne albert davy said:
Do they all agree though very strange if they don’t have a united front, all I said was we don’t have to wait for anybody.
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Yep and I was just pointing out none of them have to wait. They can do what they want.

Eu as a whole does have issues with Hungary but that doesn’t stop counties helping
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good words from the PM. Now he has to back them with a significant increase in defence funding for the UK and Ukraine. If european history tells us anything its that we can't sit on our laurels when it comes to security in times like these.
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We’ve committed £3bn annually to Ukraine and looking to increase our own defence spending. To increase it now would mean either tax increases or austerity. Which would you suggest?
 
mosssideblue said:
We’ve committed £3bn annually to Ukraine and looking to increase our own defence spending. To increase it now would mean either tax increases or austerity. Which would you suggest?
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Either or both.

I don't know how the government should go about it, but they have to convince the public that Russia is a major security threat to the European way of life: assassinations, digital interference, propaganda and actual military invasion.

To give us security against that, its worth an extra % in tax.

Of course that's easy for me to say when I'm financially comfortable, but it doesn't change the reality that our government, plus the governments of all the major European powers, need to ramp up defence spending.
 
mosssideblue said:
We’ve committed £3bn annually to Ukraine and looking to increase our own defence spending. To increase it now would mean either tax increases or austerity. Which would you suggest?
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Tax the big online traders who pay diddly squat UK tax. Amazon's, Google, Apple, Starbucks, Ebay, Facebook, Adobe, Cisco and also the FTSE 100 who are registered here but pay their tax offshore.

This is just one year for somemof those above.

www.taxwatchuk.org

Seven large tech groups estimated to have dodged £2bn in UK tax in...

TaxWatch analysis shows how complex tax driven structures are used to reduce tax bills.
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RobMCFC said:
Either or both.

I don't know how the government should go about it, but they have to convince the public that Russia is a major security threat to the European way of life: assassinations, digital interference, propaganda and actual military invasion.

To give us security against that, its worth an extra % in tax.

Of course that's easy for me to say when I'm financially comfortable, but it doesn't change the reality that our government, plus the governments of all the major European powers, need to ramp up defence spending.
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Bingo, now before it's too late. I might add that these kind of political moments of national security should get unanimous cross party support. It's that important. The PM should sit down and brief Badenoch, Davey, the SNP and Farage to ensure they understand and back him.


Putin is on the brink of being rewarded for invading another Eurpoean country , if and when he gets away with this we all know where he is going to look at next, the Baltics, Poland.

We are right back in the cold war and some ! except that we don't have a British Army of the Rhine anymore. And our defence spending is now less than half what it was back in 80s when it was over 5%.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
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Bingo, now before it's too late. I might add that these kind of political moments of national security should get unanimous cross party support. It's that important. The PM should sit down and brief Badenoch, Davey, the SNP and Farage to ensure they understand and back him.


Putin is on the brink of being rewarded for invading another Eurpoean country , if and when he gets away with this we all know where he is going to look at next, the Baltics, Poland.

We are right back in the cold war and some ! except that we don't have a British Army of the Rhine anymore. And our defence spending is now less than half what it was back in 80s when it was over 5%.
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Agree we need to up our defence capabilities but the landscape war has changed and so will have the defence hardware required. Defence review is underway to decide what and how much capability is required. Be interesting to see whether their timeframe to conclude has changed because of recent events
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Trump not so much backpedalling as randomly blurting.

Vance, like all of Trump's courtiers a pathetic and insecure bully, will be enjoying his opportunity to demean, harangue and insult his audience later under the protection of his Don.

The US is now directly hostile to us economically and is actively supporting our military enemies. We have to pivot to Europe in both spheres. There's no choice, we and nobody else either, can rely on the US.
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Sadly this is the truth.
 
mosssideblue said:
Agree we need to up our defence capabilities but the landscape war has changed and so will have the defence hardware required. Defence review is underway to decide what and how much capability is required. Be interesting to see whether their timeframe to conclude has changed because of recent events
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Agreed, even with my limited understanding I can see that. Who would have thought drones we be so effective in modern warfare 10 years ago.
 
SPIDERBOY said:
Out of the 30 minerals listed as critical,22 of them are in Ukrainian soil.
A draft agreement has been given to US reps in Munich,who have asked to have till 5pm to decide.
Then Ukraine drop into the matter...

"We are ready to create a mining enterprise in Ukraine,together with the EU"

Slava Ukraini.
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An auction!
Trump will love that... Not.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think Russia poses such a threat that the need for Europe to be militarily united (I know you and won’t agree on politically or economically!) is paramount.
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I think governments may not agree politically or economically as well , but will surely have make decisions based on the threat of future Russian expansion . Militarily will be complicated due to shared hardware ownership and manufacturing across multiple countries
 
CTID1977 said:
Today marks two years since my daughter Alice was kidnapped from me and taken to the occupied territories. Two years without news of her or direct contact. It seems like it will never be possible to learn to live with or come to terms with this. Only struggle can save. And justice will come. Not now, but in years.

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What a complete and utter shitter.
For what it's worth my thoughts and prayers are with you and that one day you will be reunited.
At the very least I hope you find out what happened to her.
 
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