Russian invasion of Ukraine

Scottyboi said:
US INTELLIGENCE & CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS: PUTIN IS ONLY GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS
After analysis the latest intelligence is that Putin is more about trying to peel the US away from Europe and Ukraine - an effort to disengage them from supporting the war.
There is no real sign that Putin wants any real peace, but he does want a ceasefire so that he can reorganise and rearm to continue the invasion later. ‘Fundamentally Russian policy requiring the full annexation of all of Ukraine- the maximalist approach - remains the ultimate goal. This has not changed’.

RUSSIA OFFERS UP INVESTMENT AS IT PANDERS TO AMERICAN GREED
The Russians are offering up joint projects in the arctic, the prospect of US oil majors investing preferentially in Russian oil extraction and refineries and a host of other opportunities- without offering a single concession on Ukraine.

They met before the formal talks and during them this has been their primary focus- in effect disconnecting the US from any reason to defend Ukraine or the west because its own profits would be at risk in a future conflict. They think profit motivates 47 and his backers more than anything else. It’s hard to disagree.

MASSIVE AID PACKAGE
S EU is looking at a massive aid package of $700 billion - to provide Ukraine with what it needs to win (at last) and boost western defence manufacturing. It would also increase employment opportunities as places like Germany face job losses in their automobile industries - 200,000 new jobs in Germany alone.
The Munich conference this past weekend was the wake up call that on top of last years warning, over what was to come, finally pushed even the reluctant nations over the edge into doing something.
The aim
In 2025 is to produce 2 million 155mm shells on top of the 1.8
Million from the Czech Initiative as industry is now producing greater volumes. German production has gone from zero to 50,000 per month and is increasing rapidly as just one example.
The aim this time is to win not just prevent defeat. Why it’s taken three years to get here is beyond me, but get here we have.

The Analyst
Slava Ukraine
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Difficult to argue with any of that, especially the first section.
I hadn't thought of US investments in Russian oil industry - but it's an excellent defensive move as US industry would whine to Trump if its investments are attacked.
 
It's hard to believe that in just a few months, America has gone from a Russian hating nation to their best friends.
That both Russia and the US have presidents who control the media and openly lie to their populations.
Quote figures and facts that even when fact checked makes no difference to their people.

America has fucked up here. It will take generations of shame and repaired relations when the mafia is eventually dislodged.
I want to know where the "decent American" push back starts.
Surely they are not just going to sit back and let all Trumps madness just carry on?

Europe couldn't make big security decisions while the US were allies.
Those days are firmly gone.
So now decision makers can get on and make those decisions. They have gone from election losing ones, to vote winning ones.
 
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For those comparing NATO to the Russia/Cuban missile crisis, need to remember in those days, distance was a big factor.
Nowadays, it doesn't really matter were the missiles are.
If it all kicks off, a few minutes more won't change the outcome.
The need for NATO was caused by Russian/China attitudes in the first place.,...with the US leading NATO expansion.
Now the US has about turned. Or at least Trump has.
Maybe NATO has run it course. Maybe a more europe focussed defence alliance is now needed.
Thank god Trump is old and likes McDonalds!
 
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fulabeer said:
For those comparing NATO to the Russia/Cuban missile crisis, need to remember in those days, distance was a big factor.
Nowadays, it doesn't really matter were the missiles are.
If it all kicks off, a few minutes more won't change the outcome.
The need for NATO was caused by Russian/China attitudes in the first place.,...with the US leading NATO expansion.
Now the US has about turned. Or at least Trump has.
Maybe NATO has run it course. Maybe a more europe focussed defence alliance is now needed.
That god Trump is old and likes McDonalds!
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I think this is the iportant point.
 
fulabeer said:
It's hard to believe that in just a few months, America has gone from a Russian hating nation to their best friends.
That both Russia and the US have presidents who control the media and openly lie to their populations.
Quote figures and facts that even when fact checked makes no difference to their people.

America has fucked up here. It will take generations of shame and repaired relations when the mafia is eventually dislodged.
I want to know where the "decent American" push back starts.
Surely they are not just going to sit back and let all Trumps madness just carry on?

Europe couldn't make big security decisions while the US were allies.
Those days are firmly gone.
So now decision makers can get on and make those decisions. They have gone from election losing ones, to vote winning ones.
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Protests in the US have already started I would point out, I don't think the population are going to lay down and take it. 50% of them still voted against him.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You should inform yourself more.

blogs.lse.ac.uk

“There is no Ukraine”: Fact-Checking the Kremlin’s Version of Ukrainian History

The notion that Ukraine is not a country, but a historical part of Russia, appears to be deeply ingrained in the minds of Russian leadership.
blogs.lse.ac.uk blogs.lse.ac.uk
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Not to forget, Putin wanting to return Sovereignty to Europe.

tass.com

Putin hopeful Europe might regain its sovereignty ‘sooner or later’

"Of course, the time will certainly come, and there is no doubt about it, when Europe will somehow restore its sovereignty. Apparently, this may require some time," the President said
tass.com tass.com
 
remember arthur mann said:
Kennedy wouldn't have missiles in his back yard, why should Putin have them in his. I couldn't believe it when Russia invaded Ukraine. But it could have been resolved without this bloodshed.
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So, what your saying is if squaters decided to move into your home whilst killing your family, you would simply move out and let them have it.
 
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