VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

johnnytapia said:
Put it to the vote. Every season card holder at every premier ground:

VAR or no VAR?

Mullered.
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Yawn, go and arrange one.

Yougov conducted a recent poll and 65% would keep it whilst wanting it improved.

I don’t care either way. I personally want refs to have more tech help so they can get the correct decision, I’m willing to sacrifice the odd incorrect one and delay. I understand if others feel differently and want it scrapped.
 
stonerblue said:
You see the rag game today?
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Just saw on MOTD, clear dive from Young (as usual) ridiculous theatrical swan lake stuff. Glad VAR told the ref to have a look. It’s still the refs ultimate choice and he saw replay and deemed it not worth a penalty.Regardless of who it’s for or against all I want is the ref to have a second look at major decisions if they are not clear and obvious- you can argue there was a slight shirt pull , but not enough to send a grown bloke doing a gold medal dive.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s amazing you have such faith that these officials would get everything spot on without VAR.

We had a weekend without VAR recently and there was offside goals, goals given that didn’t cross the line and clear red cards not given.
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Maybe the muscle memory was, rely on my mate in the VAR room
VAR is a farce we see offsides not flagged that result in a corner, which the team score from but they can’t look as it’s a different phase of play
VAR does see the Everton pen as clear and obvious, yeah sure!
We see the constant farce of mm offside examined under “microscopic analysis” trying to see if they can disallow the goal, then they go back to see if they can find anything else to disallow the goal, we all sit there wondering what is going on
A foul given. wrongly, outside the box isn’t examined yet, the team score from it
That’s just a few examples of how it beings the game into disrepute
You say that VAR gets things right yet, there is so much wrong with it
VAR could have been good but the clowns in charge the likes of David Ellery don’t have a clue how it could have been used to most effective
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Just saw on MOTD, clear dive from Young (as usual) ridiculous theatrical swan lake stuff. Glad VAR told the ref to have a look. It’s still the refs ultimate choice and he saw replay and deemed it not worth a penalty.Regardless of who it’s for or against all I want is the ref to have a second look at major decisions if they are not clear and obvious- you can argue there was a slight shirt pull , but not enough to send a grown bloke doing a gold medal dive.
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Oh yeah we will see a similar incident when less contact results in a pen which VAR doesn’t see worth asking the ref to look at VAR is just another opportunity for them to get it wrong
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Just saw on MOTD, clear dive from Young (as usual) ridiculous theatrical swan lake stuff. Glad VAR told the ref to have a look. It’s still the refs ultimate choice and he saw replay and deemed it not worth a penalty.Regardless of who it’s for or against all I want is the ref to have a second look at major decisions if they are not clear and obvious- you can argue there was a slight shirt pull , but not enough to send a grown bloke doing a gold medal dive.
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Didn't realise shirt pulling was allowed in the box..
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s amazing you have such faith that these officials would get everything spot on without VAR.

We had a weekend without VAR recently and there was offside goals, goals given that didn’t cross the line and clear red cards not given.
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No one's claiming that they would get everything spot on. They certainly don't get everything spot on with VAR. VAR was brought in to catch and correct howlers. It wasn't brought in to re-referee the game or to forensically analyze every goal looking for a reason to disallow it.

And as Gordyola pointed out, in matches without VAR, as far as there being mistakes, part of that is due to the fact that they've forgotten how to referee the game normally. Linos have been trained to keep flags down, due to VAR, so as a result it's not surprising that they will keep the flag down, out of VAR-induced instinct, or "muscle-memory" as he put it. Referees today are now so used to relying on VAR that they are not used to their decision being final, so their accuracy in making decisions on the pitch has been reduced.

As far as goals that didn't cross the line, why wasn't there still goal-line technology in use to correct that? Without VAR you could still have goal-line technology, remember. Football is in a complete state of dysfunction given this situation, with the occasional match without VAR being mixed in to then have missed calls to reinforce the idea that VAR is needed. When in reality, the refs and linos aren't used to not having VAR which causes more missed calls than pre-VAR.

As far as "clear red cards not given" in matches without VAR, that's always been subjective, and we have the same claims being made with VAR. As others have pointed out, football is all about the ball hitting the back of the net and going wild in celebration. That has been lost, and as it pertains to offside, pre-VAR no one had any issue with someones pinky toe being a millimeter offside and a goal standing. The general rule was as long as he's "about" in line with the last defender he's onside. That changed with VAR, so now our "understanding" of what offside is has changed and now we're been indoctrinated in this VAR system to obsess over ever minute detail.

VAR has been horrible for football Hammer. I know you're trying to put a positive spin on it, but we have an obligation to put everything into its proper context.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
VAR was brought in to catch and correct howlers. It wasn't brought in to re-referee the game or to forensically analyze every goal looking for a reason to disallow it.
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I believe VAR was brought in to enable the authorities to continue to control and manage the outcome of games should they choose to do so.

By and large they have disguised this by hiding behind claims of "poor implementation" etc when contentious issues occur that only the naive, gullible and/or feeble minded can defend.

But yesterday was a stark reminder of its true purpose.
 
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1961_vintage said:
I believe VAR was brought in to enable the authorities to continue to control and manage the outcome of games should they choose to do so.

By and large they have disguised this by hiding behind claims of "poor implementation" etc when contentious issues occur that only the naive, gullible and/or feeble minded can defend.

But yesterday was a stark reminder of its true purpose.
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Yep, like the offside rule, rigged to fook.
 
Sport is now pure business.. With shareholders and a serious thirst for profit.. That now comes first..And with it all the obvious baggage..
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Just saw on MOTD, clear dive from Young (as usual) ridiculous theatrical swan lake stuff. Glad VAR told the ref to have a look. It’s still the refs ultimate choice and he saw replay and deemed it not worth a penalty.Regardless of who it’s for or against all I want is the ref to have a second look at major decisions if they are not clear and obvious- you can argue there was a slight shirt pull , but not enough to send a grown bloke doing a gold medal dive.
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You don't explain why var choose not to show the ref the best view of the shirt pull. Why do you think var chose to do that ?
 
After yesterday's incident they have cleared shirt pulling as legitimate a few seasons ago any shirt pull was met with a yellow card Don't know their arsenal from their elbow comes to mind
 
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