Unsure where you’re trying to go with this, my query was quite specific. Ukraine has been part of Europe for a long time, not just since 2014, and how was it seen as Ukraine forcing a coup when it’s well documented that Russia tried to takeover a sovereign state?It isn't Ukraine's fault at all but I don't think that we can reduce this to Ukraine is a singular state of people who have been invaded by an aggressor out of the blue, there's quite clearly far more to it. Anybody who suggests we should fight Russia is just war-mongering to advocate another kind of empire building within Europe.
Ukraine isn't a huge part of the European sphere, it was only recently a socialist vassel state of the ex-USSR. Would you say that Ukraine has more history and more in common with the UK or Europe than Russia? That's rubbish. Russian is even an official and majority spoken language in Ukraine.
Even a reformer like Gorbachev supported the annexation and subsequent referendum within Crimea because the people of that area have far more history and commonality than Europe. I don't support the annexation but then I am not Crimean and as we can't trust the referendum there's no way of knowing what the Crimean people really wanted.
The irony is we in the west and Europe are not exactly a moral authority on geopolitical meddling, invasions, military interventions and that kind of thing. We should be acting as a mediator because ultimately this is a regional conflict/dispute, it shouldn't be something that Europe dies on the ditch for.
By the same token, why did Russia invade Ukraine? Wasn't that nonsense too?Don't be ridiculous and read what you've said and ask yourself the question why on earth would Putin invade a NATO country? For what reason? There is literally no reason so what is your logic? It could happen but then China could invade Europe too so what's our defence against that?
The US are either way irrelevant to European defence whilst Europe posseses nuclear weapons. European militaries are already very capable of deterring a Russian attack and in the end we could quite easily wipe out Moscow from a submarine parked anywhere on the planet. So again why on earth would Russia enter a NATO country? It's nonsense.
Don't be ridiculous and read what you've said and ask yourself the question why on earth would Putin invade a NATO country? For what reason? There is literally no reason so what is your logic? It could happen but then China could invade Europe too so what's our defence against that?
The US are either way irrelevant to European defence whilst Europe posseses nuclear weapons. European militaries are already very capable of deterring a Russian attack and in the end we could quite easily wipe out Moscow from a submarine parked anywhere on the planet. So again why on earth would Russia enter a NATO country? It's nonsense.
Don't be ridiculous and read what you've said and ask yourself the question why on earth would Putin invade a NATO country? For what reason? There is literally no reason so what is your logic? It could happen but then China could invade Europe too so what's our defence against that?
The US are either way irrelevant to European defence whilst Europe posseses nuclear weapons. European militaries are already very capable of deterring a Russian attack and in the end we could quite easily wipe out Moscow from a submarine parked anywhere on the planet. So again why on earth would Russia enter a NATO country? It's nonsense.
You really haven't got a clue how Putin operates do you.Estonia is in NATO and Latvia is in NATO. There is therefore zero threat to these two countries. Unfortunately Ukraine is in the position it is because until 2014 it was essentially still a Russian vassel state. The reason for that is not that Putin is Hitler, it's geography and history. The Ukrainians wanted to move away from that towards the west and Putin didn't like it which ultimately sums it up. I don't see how this fact poses a huge threat to the rest of Europe.
It's just complicated and to forgo that is missing the point of what has happened in the past and why a crossroads came to exist for Ukraine over the last 15 years. Gorbachev died in 2022, he was mourned and well thought of in the west and yet even he was in favour of the annexation of Crimea. Was Gorbachev Hitler?
I'm not in favour of Russia's occupation or annexation but I'm not from those places so I don't know and neither are Europeans so I don't see why we can get involved in what is really a far-reaching regional dispute. The only way to know is to find out however whether we can trust elections for example in those places is another thing.
Clueless and hopelessly naive.You really haven't got a clue how Putin operates do you.
Clueless is the word.
Please just explain why? Why didn't Russia invade Europe 20 years ago? Why now? It makes zero sense. I understand the rogue state scenario but Russia is not a rogue state, it was a fully functional state in the world until 11 years ago. We might disagree with Russia in terms of democracy and other things but there are hundreds of countries like that.They’d do it if they thought they could get away with it - if they thought the appetite wasn’t there to protect a ballistic state without the backing of the US.
The logic that things ‘could never happen’ is exactly why they can happen - Complacency and unpreparedness.
20 years ago it would be absolutely unthinkable that a rogue fascist/nazi could become the president and basically launch a hostile takeover of the US. How could it when there are courts, judges, a constitution and the law of the land to stop them? Fast forward 20 years and it’s happening right now and no one is doing anything about it.
Please just explain why? Why didn't Russia invade Europe 20 years ago? Why now? It makes zero sense. I understand the rogue state scenario but Russia is not a rogue state, it was a fully functional state in the world until 11 years ago. We might disagree with Russia in terms of democracy and other things but there are hundreds of countries like that.
With Ukraine however it does make sense because Ukraine for a start in some places is basically bloody Russian, many speak Russian and many people in Ukraine essentially identify as Russian. The reason why is they were all in the same boat until the USSR fell in the early 90s! They rejected that only in 2014 which caused Putin to invade via arming separatists.
For Ukraine to join the EU and the Americans in hating Russia that would move influence away from Russia and consequentially obviously that's always going to be a direct threat to Russia.... Explaining why Russia invaded Ukraine seriously isn't rocket science whereas explaining why Russia would somehow invade western Europe is a mystery to me.
I actually think that Europe has never been more united and strong but that is because European countries are standing together independent of politics and economics to do what is right for the continent.Europe hasn’t been as vulnerable since the Second World War.
- The rise of the far right in Europe and their support of Russia.
- The weakening of the European Union with things like Brexit.
- A fascist takeover of the United States where the leader has more in common with Putin than his European counterparts.
- There’s never been a better time for hand grabs when leaders like Trump are talking the same about countries like Canada and Greenland.
Trumps team sees a ceasefire as the end of the war
Ukraine are part of Europe are they not?I actually think that Europe has never been more united and strong but that is because European countries are standing together independent of politics and economics to do what is right for the continent.
The UK is absolutely part of that and Brexit is totally irrelevant to it. We can fight with and stand with our friends in Europe without needing to share a flag and a national anthem. The far-right are weak and reliant upon things like misinformation, they're never going to achieve much because most sane people don't think that way.
However, Europe should somewhat follow suit with the US and put Europe first. That means putting Europeans first to avoid death and war. It doesn't mean acting upon the whims of EU expansionist foreign policy and war-mongering politicians. Basically, I, my family and many others I'm sure just don't want to end up dead.
war-mongering politicians.
Wouldn’t put it past the wanker to lift them prior to a ceasefire, especially if Ukraine continue to not warm to Trumps ideas for peaceTrumps team see a ceasefire as a reason to lift Russian sanctions...
Ukraine aren't at war because of us sanctions. Wouldn't change their standpoint. Just their methods.Wouldn’t put it past the wanker to lift them prior to a ceasefire, especially if Ukraine continue to not warm to Trumps ideas for peace
If many people in Ukraine feel Russian...MOVE TO FUCKING RUSSIA !Please just explain why? Why didn't Russia invade Europe 20 years ago? Why now? It makes zero sense. I understand the rogue state scenario but Russia is not a rogue state, it was a fully functional state in the world until 11 years ago. We might disagree with Russia in terms of democracy and other things but there are hundreds of countries like that.
With Ukraine however it does make sense because Ukraine for a start in some places is basically bloody Russian, many speak Russian and many people in Ukraine essentially identify as Russian. The reason why is they were all in the same boat until the USSR fell in the early 90s! They rejected that only in 2014 which caused Putin to invade via arming separatists.
For Ukraine to join the EU and the Americans in hating Russia that would move influence away from Russia and consequentially obviously that's always going to be a direct threat to Russia.... Explaining why Russia invaded Ukraine seriously isn't rocket science whereas explaining why Russia would somehow invade western Europe is a mystery to me.
Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin is hell bent on restoring the old soviet state. First in 2008 Russia invaded Georgia it was a war waged against the Georgian people by the Russian Federation.Please just explain why? Why didn't Russia invade Europe 20 years ago? Why now? It makes zero sense. I understand the rogue state scenario but Russia is not a rogue state, it was a fully functional state in the world until 11 years ago. We might disagree with Russia in terms of democracy and other things but there are hundreds of countries like that.
With Ukraine however it does make sense because Ukraine for a start in some places is basically bloody Russian, many speak Russian and many people in Ukraine essentially identify as Russian. The reason why is they were all in the same boat until the USSR fell in the early 90s! They rejected that only in 2014 which caused Putin to invade via arming separatists.
For Ukraine to join the EU and the Americans in hating Russia that would move influence away from Russia and consequentially obviously that's always going to be a direct threat to Russia.... Explaining why Russia invaded Ukraine seriously isn't rocket science whereas explaining why Russia would somehow invade western Europe is a mystery to me.