The Labour Government

mosssideblue said:
Thing is you jumped in blaming Starmer even though you didn’t know he was at fault Ummmmm indeed
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He is the PM he is responsible for what he says. Stop making excuses you know that is correct. Anyway we've done this time death time to move on especially as there's a game on! :-)
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
That's not what he said yesterday. Perhaps you should email Radio 4 and tell them they heard it wrong aswell.
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Yes it is. That’s directly from his speech and the written statement.

Again, that’s why it’s being described as misleading, not wrong, and also why he was able to say the same thing today at PMQs. Badenoch tried to suggest he was wrong and wasted her questions as she couldn’t say it wasn’t a big enough increase so she focussed on the semantics, which was pointless.

She should have been all over energy bills instead.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
He is the PM he is responsible for what he says. Stop making excuses you know that is correct. Anyway we've done this time death time to move on especially as there's a game on! :-)
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As I said, with what’s currently happening in the world, fact checking figures might not be a priority and, has been pointed out to you, he wasn’t lying
 
Rascal said:
Strange aint it, when i first started work the tax rate was 33p in the £1 and i felt well off
Now its what 20p in the £1 and i feel poor.

The rich paid 70p in the £1 and were still rich
Now with Higher rate: You will pay 40% tax on anything you earn between £50,271 and £125,140. Additional rate: You will pay 45% tax on anything you earn over £125,140. and they have gotten even richer than ever.

As those with least have the higher propensity to spend, they should drive economic growth, but it appears that the governments of the last 30/40 years have all believed that giving more money to the wealthy will drive growth.

Now we have the ridiculous situation where a Labour government has promised not to raise taxes because somehow it is now the case that taxes are bad.

Taxation can be used for things we all want, strong armed forces, decent healthcare, workable infrastructure, education, welfare, libraries, community centres and hundreds of other things that benefit society as a whole. How is that a bad thing?
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Its not quite how it works tax wise particularly for the 100k plus group who due to the loss of the £12570 tax free allowance they pay a marginal tax rate of 60%.

I agree though that taxing more but also spending more makes for a better society overall.
 
mosssideblue said:
How do you think they will get the details to corroborate?
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The data are publicly available.

For instance the OBR publishes forecasts of what they expect nominal GDP to be for the next 5 or six fiscal years, so it only takes five minutes to see what 2.3% or 2.5% of GDP equates to in monetary terms in any given year, and the difference between the figures.

More generally the US government will employ scores of people checking defence expenditure across the world, and they’ll also have a few people based in the US embassy in London monitoring the UK’s economy and political developments, and they’ll have done a detailed briefing for Starmer’s visit.

So there’s absolutely zero chance they won’t be aware of what the UK spends now and any planned changes in defence expenditure.
 
Brewster's millions said:
The data are publicly available.

For instance the OBR publishes forecasts of what they expect nominal GDP to be for the next 5 or six fiscal years, so it only takes five minutes to see what 2.3% or 2.5% of GDP equates to in monetary terms in any given year, and the difference between the figures.

More generally the US government will employ scores of people checking defence expenditure across the world, and they’ll also have a few people based in the US embassy in London monitoring the UK’s economy and political developments, and they’ll have done a detailed briefing for Starmer’s visit.

So there’s absolutely zero chance they won’t be aware of what the UK spends now and any planned changes in defence expenditure.
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I get that but was thinking along the lines of what we do with that increase in spending to corroborate vfm
 
blueinsa said:
Anyone who thinks and believes any of this “by the end of this parliament” bullshit is away with the fairies.

We are being fucking fleeced by energy companies and Labour said they would put a stop to it.

They haven’t and they won’t. Make your own mind up about accusing them of lying about tbh.
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I was raging yesterday listening to the CEO of BP saying they are dropping renewable energy because they want more profit.

They have more than enough and as you say Labour should have at least hit them with a huge one off tax payments to 'fill the black hole'.
 
Just as a diversion from PM Starmer’s visit to Trump World…I’m no fan of Starmer, but I do care for my Country and hope he does well.

The commitment to net zero by 2050 and decarbonising energy by 2030 will kill this Government. Even though it was Theresa May’s folly, Labour now have the “ tar baby” - although Ed M has always been a zealot for windmills etc.
Setting aside the politics, as both main parties are complicit (I ignore the Lib Dems as a serious political force beyond local Government) the big question is
why the fuck should we, contributing less than 0.9% of global emissions, feel the need, or compulsion, to be global “leaders” on climate change.
The Chinese, Indians and others are still commissioning coal fired generation and in the case of the Chinese, using their comparative advantage of cheap power to make solar panels and stuff and flog them to UK and Germany etc. a) making handsome profits and b) ensuring we continue to drive our energy costs ever higher - and our industry (such as we have left, but perhaps not for much longer) ) ever more uncompetitive. Our fellow travellers in this lunacy are Germany - but watch this space - they will shortly decide to recommission their large and efficient fleet of nuclear power stations that Merkel stupidly closed. That will leave us, standing bravely alone, a decade or two from any new nuclear, the existing plants closing, dependant on stochastic sources of power generation and foreign inter-connectors. We are happily heading for economic oblivion and plummeting living standards. Well done everyone.
It is sheer lunacy - not a hope in hell that the Governments of the world will ever unite and save the planet. Every single Government that matters will follow their own interests. That is why only, by way of example, it is Companies like the now-hatedMusk’s Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink that have shown only capitalism will generate the innovation and technology to even mitigate climate change. To me, this is our only realistic hope.
Politicians can’t/won’t do it, Institutions can’t/won’t do it. One World government is never going to happen either. Unfortunately dog will eat dog. We need a total rethink, but I’m not sure our politicians are capable of changing direction, as nobody likes to admit they’ve fucked up.
It’s going to get messy.
 
RegisteredToSeePhotos said:
www.theguardian.com

Exposed: Labour peer’s involvement in apparent cash-for-access venture

Lord David Evans of Watford said ‘our mates now have senior jobs’ and advised on how to approach Angela Rayner
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Lord Kennedy also being up to it in what the Guardian are referring to as “cash-for-access” event. Housing minister Sharon Taylor quickly distanced herself saying she wouldn’t speak at the event after all when approached for comment. All the same? Nah clearly not.

I’m shocked your post was ignored …
 
Palerider said:
I pass loads of Asian owned houses where they are extending like fuck, presumably so that their whole family generations can live together. The 'family' of the indigenous population has been replaced by the state. The family support system has collapsed and probably led to the epidemic of mental illness.
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There's lots of houses like that near me. Great to see hard working people reaping the rewards, improving the area with investment and integrating into the community
 
Brewster's millions said:
The data are publicly available.

For instance the OBR publishes forecasts of what they expect nominal GDP to be for the next 5 or six fiscal years, so it only takes five minutes to see what 2.3% or 2.5% of GDP equates to in monetary terms in any given year, and the difference between the figures.

More generally the US government will employ scores of people checking defence expenditure across the world, and they’ll also have a few people based in the US embassy in London monitoring the UK’s economy and political developments, and they’ll have done a detailed briefing for Starmer’s visit.

So there’s absolutely zero chance they won’t be aware of what the UK spends now and any planned changes in defence expenditure.
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Unless Musk has sacked them all.
 
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