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Starmer is concerned about immigration.

Virtually every single mainstream politician is these days.

Are they all racist as well?

Or are we at the point where it’s you that decides who gets called racist or not?

The post you replied to was arguing that she was clearly a lot more than just "concerned about immigration". Have to say, I thought it was common knowledge that she'd crossed the line into racism. Certainly no PM since has spoken about race in a way that would even approach her views.

On your final point, I feel like it would be quite the responsibility if it was just me that decided. Not sure I can be bothered with that.
 
I have had this argument many times before and don't have the energy, people aren't arsed I get it.

If you ever have time and balance try looking up the effects of poor air quality.

I don't accept the argument that we should only be bothered about clean air and water when the Chinese have it all wrapped up in their country. And that extends to the effects of a warming planet to.
We’ve already decarbonised electricity by 50% since 1990 - a world-leading achievement. We’ve done a huge amount during my lifetime on clean air too - water quality has sadly regressed.
I don’t know why you think I’m not arsed.
My point is centred on what “we” do about it. “We” being both the UK at “local” level and the world at large at a global level.
Our current efforts risk breaking the our nation, destroying our energy security, our industrial base and impoverishing our people - and the truth is it won’t even move the needle. That’s my point. It needs calling out.
At a global level, the big polluters are ducking and weaving - kicking the can down the road. No way will China, Brazil and India (and many others) stop their march to prosperity and embrace relative poverty. I won’t happen and we’re naive to think so.
So, apart from fucking ourselves over and polishing our halo, what’s the plan ?
If only someone could explain in a credible manner how the fuck this could be delivered !
 
She won three elections, was the longest serving Prime Minister of the 20th Century and you will find she will is considered in the top 5 or even top 3 of any poll on the UK's greatest Prime Ministers . That's some going for someone whose principles are " pretty much considered universally vile" . I think you are mistakenly identifying Thatcherism as not more than a set of economic principles. Her belief in aspiration , self-reliance , family etc are every bit about social beliefs and policy as much as economics. There is a long way between your beliefs and those who agree with you and " Universal"
Yes but the electorate seems quite happy to vote against their own interests, witness Brexit and the abomination we see in the White House as 2 examples.
The most telling thing she said was "there is no such thing as society" and I know apologists for her say it's out of context but the results of Thatcherism are what we are seeing now. Fancy a swim in your local river of shit?
Self reliance and aspiration bollocks - work your arse off and make the bosses and big corporates richer but every now and then wheel out a so called self made millionaire to keep us all going
Don't fall for the shit mate
 
We’ve already decarbonised electricity by 50% since 1990 - a world-leading achievement. We’ve done a huge amount during my lifetime on clean air too - water quality has sadly regressed.
I don’t know why you think I’m not arsed.
My point is centred on what “we” do about it. “We” being both the UK at “local” level and the world at large at a global level.
Our current efforts risk breaking the our nation, destroying our energy security, our industrial base and impoverishing our people - and the truth is it won’t even move the needle. That’s my point. It needs calling out.
At a global level, the big polluters are ducking and weaving - kicking the can down the road. No way will China, Brazil and India (and many others) stop their march to prosperity and embrace relative poverty. I won’t happen and we’re naive to think so.
So, apart from fucking ourselves over and polishing our halo, what’s the plan ?
If only someone could explain in a credible manner how the fuck this could be delivered !

So you didn't look into air quality, like I said can't be arsed I've been on this ride too many times, no offence we fundamentally disagree.
 
My major take from today.....

Zelenskyy is a brave intelligent warrior who can read the room and stand up for himself and his country.

Starmer is a Diplomat that cannot handle conflict.
Sometimes you need diplomats. In fact, what the world is in desperate need of right now is diplomats. I don't think it's fair to say he can't handle conflict; at least not yet.
 
Sometimes you need diplomats. In fact, what the world is in desperate need of right now is diplomats. I don't think it's fair to say he can't handle conflict; at least not yet.
I thought Starmer was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom who has diplomats to support him.

Big Joe is just angry about something.
 
I don’t know what you’re getting at but if it’s aimed at me I’m diving in here absolutely because of the shit show I’ve just seen this week.
Are you suggesting that Starmer should have gone in like a bull in a China shop and destroyed all relations with the US?

He went before the shit show of today and obviously things will now change. (Unless Trump does his customary 180 degree turn and forgets today happened, which is possible)
 
Are you suggesting that Starmer should have gone in like a bull in a China shop and destroyed all relations with the US?

He went before the shit show of today and obviously things will now change. (Unless Trump does his customary 180 degree turn and forgets today happened, which is possible)
I’m suggesting he shouldn’t have gone in acting like a sycophant. There‘s a middle ground.
 
So the answer is, just keep on bending?
No, after his performance today, relationships will change, unless Trump flip flops and forgets it ever happens and keeps backing Ukraine.

Antagonising Trump gets you nowhere, barring one of his reactionary rants and potential tariffs.

It’s easier to ignore most of what he says and react to what he actually does.
 
No, after his performance today, relationships will change, unless Trump flip flops and forgets it ever happens and keeps backing Ukraine.

Antagonising Trump gets you nowhere, barring one of his reactionary rants and potential tariffs.

It’s easier to ignore most of what he says and react to what he actually does.
I honestly hope you’re right mate. But I fear the western leaders are now too afraid of him to try to re-set his thinking and agenda.
 

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